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say I can get up

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that was

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that we

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$600 well it

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what's going on

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buddy

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don't come in office no no if we're

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going to vote on it

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that ain't going to I thought you might

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be on the gas Le tonight did you see

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that in front no it's like a big

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deal ch

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don't get too I got a little bit of a

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bug

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I good

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some

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just

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phone that was three

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in that was funny

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I don't know was

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bizar it is chilly

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got a bug so don't get too

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close no I I really

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I've been B over

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turn

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work okay cool yes

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we we determined that the atomic clock

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has lost three ATS it's lost three

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atoms and uh well according to your

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phone lost three

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see and we we unplugged it we tried to

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reset

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it I don't know what happened I don't

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know

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either memory

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yes they

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are

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absolutely soon as Herman gets up here

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and Parks his little

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book well uh

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I see no Crunch bars out here no candy

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up

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here I got a rum

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cake

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sh we're ready we're ready all right

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well uh we'll call the all meeting to

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order and start with the Pledge of

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Allegiance

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please I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it stands one

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nation under God indivisible with liy

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and justice for

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all we we've determined our atomic clock

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has lost three atoms so I'm not sure we

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tried to reset it but it's 3 minutes

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slow all right uh roll call please Greg

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KS here Dean hos here Jennifer Eden here

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Herman Ferguson here Chris Retta absent

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Sarah Dolan Jersey here P

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here okay uh moving right into the

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public hearing um going to get those

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slid SES going um I was I've been told

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that the previous supervisor um did this

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normally a meeting uh prior to the

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budget

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uh approval but um I wasn't ready for it

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at the last meeting so I'm going to do

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that presentation

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now uh budgeting Basics uh obviously the

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township is legally required to adopt

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this Budget prior to April

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1st uh the township holds a public

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hearing before the budget is adopted in

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March of each year that's

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this budgets legally adopted on a

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departmental basis in other words the

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treasurer and the clerk and myself we

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get with our accounting firm and we go

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through this line by line we've done

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this multiple times uh the last month I

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think three times we've

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and uh revised made minor revisions each

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time the budget is uh monitored on a

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monthly basis by

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us and it is just that a budget and so

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things happen where we have to amend it

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throughout the year to ensure there's no

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overspending by each

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department the budgeting process is

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basically done on History uh we take the

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previous years we uh look at what uh was

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budgeted and what was spent and we make

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those adjustments on a line by line

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item uh we determine the needs the

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future needs of what we see are going to

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happen in the upcoming

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year and we evaluate the current

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spending what we're currently uh

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spending on the township

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stop me if there's any

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questions okay now into the meet uh the

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major events uh of

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2425 we uh we had the sale of the

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264 Reus to the Livingston County

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Department of uh Public Works which we

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have guests today from

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there and uh this resulted in the

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reduction of our sewer debt

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and allowed for a $59 Bill reduction to

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our residents per annual quarter in

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other words almost $240 a year uh

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savings for

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them we have uh White Lake Road uh

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resurfacing uh a vast fault that was

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done from old 23 to Bennett Lake mayy

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forth we uh resealed and and strip the

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uh parking

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lot uh had Oldtown uh repairs included

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new electrical new insulation a new roof

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and new hva

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system it's to be noted that we have had

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a budget surplus ever since

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off on to to the assumptions of what's

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coming up uh pay off the 2003 sewer Bond

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early we have Karma Road um going to be

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resurfaced White Lake to Heartland Road

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and we have Heartland road to be

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resurfaced from Karma road to Center

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Road we also have faucet Road it's going

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to have uh some new gravel resurfacing

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from ran to

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Heartland and

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faucet Road Again from Heartland road to

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Mabley Hill and then we're still uh

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getting the uh firewell head put in

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place at alcoy and uh Fenton

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department there's a note there's a

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little um there's a road Heartland road

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is going to be asphalted from White Lake

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Karma uh it goes all the way through

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from White oh yeah yeah yeah okay so

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sorry so I missed a chunk two miles yeah

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two miles I missed a chunk yep whoops

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Greg is this the time you want that I

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should talk about the townhouse or would

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that you

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later the right

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time we can I

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mean do it later tooo I'm just I wasn't

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sure when do it later okay

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okay okay on the uh on the

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millage uh this is where your money goes

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to the schools um I know there's been

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some question about the

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M uh means it's how we're Livingston

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County but two of our school districts

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are in Gennesse County and that is why

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some of the some of the millage funds go

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so and then you got your general

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fund basically a a breakdown

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of of each department and uh where our

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money

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is is

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budgeted and then the last one is a uh

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is a pie of the uh the general fund

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revenues and I need to

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let you know that the

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green is an estimate because that can go

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up and down depending on what the state

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wants to give

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us any

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questions many well other expenditures

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on that P that's a pretty big other

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expenditures

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$280,000 that we just put in a general

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fund that we don't account for we have

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no line item for we just which one are

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you looking at show me the general fund

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expenditures 25 26 other expenditures

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$278,400

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or something no no you got it 1

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2 I mean I I don't know about the rest

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of the residence but I'd sure like to

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know where that

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$280,000 17 there are 17 other items

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listed on

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here um we don't we can't single out

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everything so other can be utilities it

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can be bonds M to because we got on the

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back here we got Park safety we got

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liquor law enforc we got Jane hill

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lighting Walnut Street

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lighting part of the 78,000 that is

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revenue I'm just fund Revenue transfers

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out I can barely read this so bear with

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me so um expenditures you have Township

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board supervisor so the same things that

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are listed

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on um page prior to it all other funds

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budgeted okay so then what's transferred

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up 500,000 so it's transfer out that is

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the what we are over budget or not over

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budget um under budget so we can move

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that to the 400,000 to roads and 100,000

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for the building fund well how can we

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break it out that way then why don't we

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tell our why don't we tell our residents

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what we're spending this money I mean I

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don't you know I mean I'm I'm just a

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simple person you know and I've sat on

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small boards before but you know even on

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running Lake we're required to our line

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item things budgeted stuff okay do you

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really think we only have 18 items we

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spend money on no I'm sure we don't okay

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but you're tell us we can't take the

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time to put together a budget that we

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can give to these people out here that

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they can understand and know where the

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money's going that's all I'm

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asking the biggest ones is what we have

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listed on here so Township board

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supervisor Department Clerk's Department

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Treasures department treasur is and

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Clerk's department is everything as a

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whole in this building building like

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treasury is my Deputy my um cashier

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myself and everything that takes to run

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our department I.E everything it takes

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to run taxes and I can see asking I can

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see it says treasure okay okay I

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understand and that's the treasury

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Department that's your department and

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what you're going to spend and what you

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think to budget then the next one is

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border review and assessing I'm not

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worried about that I'm worried about

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500,000 I'm tell whatever you don't see

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outlined here like um what we paid for

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the Old Town Hall to be re redone this

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year um that is part of that anything

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you do not see outlined here that

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includes everything else that's and

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that's 278,000 that isn't a lot in the

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in the scheme of things that's every

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other thing that you don't see a line

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item almost a million dollars is not

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that much it's a lot of money to me a

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million dollar

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500 and 2 300 is 800,000

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so Jennifer I'm only worried about these

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two big chunks over here that are almost

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50% of our expenditures transer out is

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not what we paid it's what we moved out

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of the general fund 400,000 to the road

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fund 100,000

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to then why isn't it broke out 100,000

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to Road fund 300,000 to I mean I'm can

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you show him on here

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I was going to ask on the green bar

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where it says unallocated is that list

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of items

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relevant page quite honestly I'd like a

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couple more weeks to look at this so and

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understand it I mean I've had three days

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to look at this entire budget and you're

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asking me to vote on it tonight and I

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don't think that's fair to us I think

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you need to give us a couple weeks so we

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can actually look and maybe I would

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understand if I had a time to go through

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this document so for the budget that's

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all out last week he already has the

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green bark we already handed it I got it

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Thursday of last week I work Thursday

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and Friday I have a job full-time job so

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I had Saturday and Sunday and part of

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yesterday I talk to try to review this

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so did you call us with any questions

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and ask us what each of those things are

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i' sat down mostly yesterday this this

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is what I did yesterday when I got home

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from work you guys are gone already by

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the time I get home from work okay I'm

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explaining I'm I would like some time

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look at this the transfer out is the

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$400 or $400,000

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that goes into the road fund that's just

310
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transferring out of the general fund to

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the road funds and 100,000 went to the

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building fund okay so it's quick

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question funds budgeted um public

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Improvement Road 400,000 expenses a

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million 678 th000 used fund balance is

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that the fund balance where's that at

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the fund balance is on your treasuries

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report that you get every month that

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tells you every outline budget where

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where's that in here is what I'm

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wondering that isn't part of the

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budget our monthly fund balance is in

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report that you receive every

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month so we must have one heck of a fund

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balance because the sewers over by 99 or

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9

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151,000 uh the public road Improvement

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7678 th000

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um that was just the two big ones Public

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Works sewer o andm is over by

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209,000 that comes up to over a million

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dollars that we're just going to pull

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out of this used fund

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balance each of those have their own but

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there but it says Revenue versus expense

336
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right we're not taking in what it's

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costing us so we're taking the

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difference which is min are you going to

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let her of these app apprentices right

340
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okay all of these that you're looking at

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all other budgets these are

342
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all special um funds not part of the um

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general fund so all your road

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improvements when people want a sad to

345
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do their roads that's a separate fund

346
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none of these are Township monies the

347
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special

348
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funds okay those revenues are coming in

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on the left side that's what their sad

350
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is this year that's what's actually

351
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coming in that we're collecting on their

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taxes and expenses that's every bill or

353
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bond that we have to pay this coming

354
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here so all other funds is not our money

355
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no none of this is our money the these

356
00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:18,839
are all dedicated

357
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funds from who from the taxpayers that's

358
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:23,678
all these special Road funds and while

359
00:25:21,278 --> 00:25:26,398
right away funds is I understand

360
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:28,759
taxpayers money but it's not

361
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ours I'm trying to understand understand

362
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:32,879
the special assessment districts and how

363
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they work right that's what where the

364
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,840
misunderstanding is no

365
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right yeah so these are not funds that

366
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:44,798
can be allocated in any other direction

367
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they're solely so look in the so the

368
00:25:44,798 --> 00:25:50,319
bottom one Public Works sewer ow and out

369
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that's revenues that I'm anticipating

370
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:56,439
collecting 657 th000 and we're going to

371
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pay out 867,000

372
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:02,519
okay and we have have the 209,000 that

373
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is you said it's not our money on the

374
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negative in the funds in the fund right

375
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this fund where where's the balance of

376
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,599
the fund so I can do that in the

377
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,759
treasures report it was in last it's not

378
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:16,759
in any of this budget report no it's not

379
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part of the budget okay your fund

380
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balance is it would be nice if you put

381
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that sheet in there so we when we see

382
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something like this where it says use

383
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:27,480
fund balance just a sheet for us to look

384
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:29,879
at this says here's the fund balance so

385
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,480
we can associate something I I'm

386
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,919
assuming because it's in here in our

387
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,120
budget that it's got it's part of our

388
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:37,720
budget that's the only thing assumption

389
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,639
I can make if you read our board packets

390
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,759
that we get uh two weeks ago that

391
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,440
document was in there every month

392
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:46,599
there's a treasurers report and it tells

393
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,320
you every single fund and every single

394
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:50,959
dollar that's in those funds and I

395
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,839
assume that was part of our budget why

396
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,278
would I

397
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:58,558
not a budget is what we're planning on

398
00:26:56,278 --> 00:27:00,720
bringing in this year and we're

399
00:26:58,558 --> 00:27:03,759
expending not what your fund we're

400
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,440
taking in 657 th000 for sewer we're

401
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:08,798
spending 867 that is

402
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,840
correct so then your negative number

403
00:27:08,798 --> 00:27:13,200
that you see it's telling you we're

404
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:14,918
using the Surplus from the funds is

405
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,120
covering that other 200 but none of this

406
00:27:14,919 --> 00:27:18,520
is part of our budget so it really

407
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,639
shouldn't even be in this this it's part

408
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,639
of the budget it's

409
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:28,720
not your fund totals your balances are

410
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:31,798
not part of your budget

411
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,640
a budget is what you plan to spend and

412
00:27:31,798 --> 00:27:36,558
what you're planning on

413
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,559
receiving right that's what we're doing

414
00:27:36,558 --> 00:27:41,480
I understand that so and my point is I I

415
00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:43,278
don't care what what this is if we're

416
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,240
planning on spending more than we're

417
00:27:43,278 --> 00:27:46,880
we're taking in the money comes from

418
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,679
somewhere and these people have a right

419
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,960
to know where it's your fund balance and

420
00:27:48,679 --> 00:27:51,080
they need they have a rights know well

421
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,759
but then they need to know what that

422
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:54,759
where that is did they get the packet

423
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:58,278
every two weeks with that money well

424
00:27:54,759 --> 00:28:00,558
they look online yes anybody can get

425
00:27:58,278 --> 00:28:03,159
it's it's available to the public but

426
00:28:00,558 --> 00:28:03,158
they don't know

427
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,440
that well I don't know how else you

428
00:28:06,038 --> 00:28:11,000
would like me would you like me to email

429
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,759
it to everybody I don't know but I mean

430
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,960
that's that's just I mean again give

431
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:16,440
give me two weeks to look at this

432
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,079
instead of three two days you're you're

433
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,640
entitled to not pass it if you don't

434
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:23,158
want to be I mean I I get it okay I get

435
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720
it you guys move on because you got your

436
00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:26,720
four votes you're going to do what you

437
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,120
want so go ahead and move

438
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:33,240
on all right

439
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:35,839
um are there any other questions

440
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,120
regarding the

441
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:41,278
budget all right so moving on to

442
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:46,398
approval for the agenda

443
00:28:41,278 --> 00:28:47,519
please so move support all in favor I I

444
00:28:46,398 --> 00:28:50,359
oppos

445
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:52,480
no public he you have to you have to

446
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:56,359
close the public hearing I'm sorry and

447
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,360
then sorry I did I'll close the public

448
00:28:56,798 --> 00:29:03,278
hearing okay we got the time okay now

449
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,879
I'll look for approval for the agenda so

450
00:29:03,278 --> 00:29:07,880
moved

451
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880
support

452
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,720
no you have to have public comments I

453
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:22,439
don't see any public it's not on my list

454
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,440
okay public comments

455
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,679
no public comments oh there we go it has

456
00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:39,079
to be to be just on the budget yeah it

457
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:39,080
can only be on the budget

458
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:45,599
correct not sure if I'm understanding

459
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,278
correctly but his argument is exactly

460
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:52,798
why I came in here today um so I looked

461
00:29:49,278 --> 00:29:53,839
at these graphs and whatnot I see the

462
00:29:52,798 --> 00:29:55,519
same

463
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:58,918
thing I

464
00:29:55,519 --> 00:30:01,679
see we're we're spending this much money

465
00:29:58,919 --> 00:30:03,278
but we're only taking in this much money

466
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:05,519
and it says to use

467
00:30:03,278 --> 00:30:07,960
Surplus blah blah blah whatever pretty

468
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:10,679
bigue words where does that money come

469
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,880
from he has good questions in the fund

470
00:30:10,679 --> 00:30:14,880
okay the fund in the fund where do the

471
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,880
fund come

472
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,360
from you got this fund he's saying

473
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,278
people need to know where's this fund

474
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:24,038
coming I know where it's coming from

475
00:30:21,278 --> 00:30:28,000
it's coming from extra money I heard you

476
00:30:24,038 --> 00:30:31,558
say we have had a surplus for the since

477
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,319
2010 right you know how I take that

478
00:30:31,558 --> 00:30:35,678
every person in this room's been over

479
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:38,519
taxed since 2010 you're building a big

480
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:40,440
fat bank account on my dime and

481
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,240
applauding yourself for taking your

482
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,320
extra money you took from me to pay for

483
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,759
what you ain't got to pay for this year

484
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,158
I can't roll that way and I tell you

485
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:53,000
what just like he

486
00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:55,679
said I'm a builder I do jobs for

487
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,278
people I have on my phone I have every

488
00:30:55,679 --> 00:31:01,240
receipt that I spend on their material

489
00:30:58,278 --> 00:31:03,359
cuz people get sticker shot so I show

490
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,200
them you want to see every line excuse

491
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:10,158
me sir can you state your name and your

492
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:13,360
address Jim Lon it's okay yeah I know so

493
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:16,278
I show them just like he said what's so

494
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:18,719
hard it's not I do it every day you you

495
00:31:16,278 --> 00:31:21,200
think I didn't spend this much money I I

496
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,919
get it people rip people up I could

497
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,639
charge someone

498
00:31:22,919 --> 00:31:28,278
$2,000 take $11,000 spend it on another

499
00:31:25,638 --> 00:31:31,278
job so I have to be able to show no

500
00:31:28,278 --> 00:31:33,880
here's what I spent every line item it

501
00:31:31,278 --> 00:31:37,278
ain't hard to do I see a whole lot of

502
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,840
vagueness up here stuff's not explained

503
00:31:37,278 --> 00:31:43,278
my son is a Township

504
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:45,759
supervisor Township twice this size I

505
00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:47,558
sent him all this stuff today I said

506
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:50,480
what's your opinion you know what he

507
00:31:47,558 --> 00:31:51,720
said in Michigan either somebody don't

508
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,120
know what they're doing or somebody's

509
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,600
being shady I said what do you mean he

510
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:59,719
said it's so vague he said we send out a

511
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:02,398
thir 30 page

512
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,839
document explaining where's this money

513
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:06,199
coming from where's it going so I asked

514
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,879
you where's this fund come from you

515
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,240
didn't answer me I'd like to know this

516
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,039
this magical fund that we

517
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,679
have are you guys building a big fat

518
00:32:14,038 --> 00:32:19,960
bank account on taxes that we shouldn't

519
00:32:16,679 --> 00:32:23,639
have had to pay before well I'd like an

520
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:26,200
answer I think it's pretty easy to

521
00:32:23,638 --> 00:32:28,199
answer explain it to and I take no

522
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,798
answer as an answer I appreciate your

523
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,080
questions I do and people can battle you

524
00:32:31,798 --> 00:32:34,679
but some people just don't want to face

525
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:37,319
the

526
00:32:34,679 --> 00:32:41,519
truth so where's the fund come

527
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:41,519
from the magic fund we

528
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:49,319
have I

529
00:32:44,679 --> 00:32:49,320
think like I said I take

530
00:32:52,329 --> 00:32:55,389
[Music]

531
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,440
so I'm make an

532
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:06,599
appoint hey Jim yeah we can't comment

533
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720
but you can make an appointment you can

534
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,038
make an

535
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,919
appointment I will but she was she was

536
00:33:10,038 --> 00:33:14,919
responding to me you can't pick and

537
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:17,080
choose when you respond well she chose

538
00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:20,038
to respond and then she wants to shut up

539
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:24,480
later yeah that's chicken

540
00:33:20,038 --> 00:33:24,480
CRA you can't pick

541
00:33:28,679 --> 00:33:31,880
oh I tell

542
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,880
you

543
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:38,120
that's Scott Dietrich White Lake Road

544
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,559
general fund is used we get the money in

545
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:42,239
fact we just paid back money to the

546
00:33:39,558 --> 00:33:44,678
general fund from the

547
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,399
sewer so she couldn't tell you that

548
00:33:44,679 --> 00:33:48,200
right now go in and talk to her if you

549
00:33:46,398 --> 00:33:49,959
guys come to meetings more often you'll

550
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,240
know what's going on with your money

551
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,840
amen um okay no I'm not I'm trying to

552
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,000
explain to you hey hey hey hey I'm

553
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:59,678
trying to explain to you I cuz I've come

554
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,038
to meetings a surplus all right you got

555
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:05,080
a surplus we do every Township has a

556
00:34:02,038 --> 00:34:06,839
surplus where's it come from it come it

557
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:09,440
comes from all the taxes and everything

558
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:12,440
else what do you think

559
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,679
they you want me to answer you want me

560
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,760
to answer hey hey hey all right I'm not

561
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:20,280
sticking up for him I'm just trying to

562
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,839
explain Scott all right just so we got

563
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,960
extra money coming back from the general

564
00:34:21,838 --> 00:34:25,960
fund helped out the sewer fund okay

565
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,440
that's coming back in the general fund

566
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,440
money goes to help pay pave the

567
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,240
roads people don't realize that when we

568
00:34:32,838 --> 00:34:37,719
pave the county puts up 50% we put up

569
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,918
the other 50% unless we want to put up a

570
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,598
millage to pave these

571
00:34:39,918 --> 00:34:43,759
roads I don't know if you guys

572
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,079
understood that but I don't know

573
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,200
everything I'm just telling you what I

574
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,480
know okay I'm not sticking up I'm trying

575
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,838
to just say the general fund is good

576
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,280
they got extra money we put it in the

577
00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:55,519
general fund okay we used the general

578
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,919
fund for years to help with the sewer I

579
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,960
didn't want the sewer they put the sewer

580
00:34:56,918 --> 00:35:02,358
in many years ago okay so we had to keep

581
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:05,119
borrowing from this general fund to help

582
00:35:02,358 --> 00:35:06,920
pay for the sewer okay now the sewer is

583
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:09,119
paying us back so we got tons of money

584
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,358
in the general fund and that's going to

585
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,880
go to fix the roads so I mean I'm not

586
00:35:11,358 --> 00:35:16,199
trying to pick sides I'm just just one

587
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,599
what I understand

588
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,679
okay I don't want to pay any more taxes

589
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:24,920
I'd like to get rid of the darn uh M

590
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,919
Community College one that's one

591
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,280
don't any any other

592
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,519
comments yeah Kurt Schultz from Silver

593
00:35:49,318 --> 00:35:56,119
Lake Estates number

594
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:59,400
two um I guess I'm wondering if uh I

595
00:35:56,119 --> 00:36:03,160
could speak in regards to new business

596
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,480
number seven no no just this is hearing

597
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,759
only about the budget this is only on

598
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,199
the budget correct okay but this is part

599
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,319
of the budget

600
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,879
though doesn't the budget also

601
00:36:12,318 --> 00:36:18,039
include

602
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:22,160
the funds that go to each person here

603
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:25,159
yes so ask your question

604
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,559
okay oh I'm sorry did have we done any

605
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:29,399
type of

606
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:33,199
study in regards

607
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,200
to what people should be

608
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:40,719
paid

609
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:43,078
vely no do not answer no we've done a

610
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,159
wage comparison the clerks in linston

611
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:49,200
County do a wage um study each year and

612
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:52,920
each cerk goes through fills out what

613
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:55,078
everybody in their um office is making

614
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,039
and that's where all of this that I

615
00:36:55,079 --> 00:37:02,079
pulled is it's all accurate up today

616
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:05,599
it's the 25 to 26 okay year that's what

617
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:05,599
I was asking yes thank

618
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,160
you any other

619
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:30,519
comments de on MCM Circle when he was

620
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,039
talking about the salaries I guess my

621
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:36,559
question is are those salaries compared

622
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:39,440
because I know three other areas that

623
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,799
are about the same size as Tyrone

624
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Township they don't make anything near

625
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,318
what y'all make so I guess when I'm

626
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,119
asking where these comparisons are done

627
00:37:47,318 --> 00:37:53,880
are they done with like

628
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:58,079
townships yes these are Maran is 100%

629
00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,200
spoton population revenues and expenses

630
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:02,839
the same as Tyrone Township and what

631
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:05,358
about other townships besides just Maran

632
00:38:02,838 --> 00:38:07,358
and they're all in the board packet here

633
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:10,318
the ones that are highlighted in yellow

634
00:38:07,358 --> 00:38:13,279
we'll see on our screens are all

635
00:38:10,318 --> 00:38:15,480
comparable but Maran is the one that is

636
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,440
very much now are y'all full-time

637
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,760
employees part-time employees we're

638
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,920
fulltime fulltime full-time employees

639
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,960
fulltime not the trustees not the

640
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:28,760
trustees right and do you have a certain

641
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,960
degree to take on the treasure

642
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,000
position or a certain degree to take on

643
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,000
the clerk's position what do you mean I

644
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,079
mean like the treasurer do they have a

645
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,960
degree in

646
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:44,359
finance or they basically just pencil

647
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,559
pushers Well's that required to have any

648
00:38:44,358 --> 00:38:48,679
degree for any elected position that's

649
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:50,838
what I'm asking right so you don't have

650
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:54,480
any kind of degree for that type of

651
00:38:50,838 --> 00:38:57,039
position that you hold so anyone could

652
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,000
sign up for that position well you you

653
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:01,559
do have to as for me for elections you

654
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,159
have to be accredited through the state

655
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,119
of Michigan you have to do training each

656
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,279
year in order to do that do I have

657
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:11,680
degrees yes I have degrees are they in

658
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,519
clerks no there is no clerk degree okay

659
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:16,239
um in that in Treasure is there a

660
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:19,639
finance degree that you need or just no

661
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,239
no no okay anybody there's a plethora of

662
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,719
training we send Jennifer G to training

663
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,519
every year she's gotten certified as

664
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,000
well as her Deputy clerk the same thing

665
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:32,639
I'm in the process of that and my Deputy

666
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,599
clerk is in training all the time as

667
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,960
well through and do yall get benefits on

668
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:39,079
top of the

669
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,800
salary is that included in your salary

670
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,480
not for me I don't take benefits from

671
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,240
the township I have no health insurance

672
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,318
or benefits through the township okay

673
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,439
and do

674
00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:49,599
other people do we pay for their

675
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,920
benefits through the township yes so

676
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:56,760
that's on top of their salaries yes okay

677
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,760
thank you you're welcome

678
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,039
any other

679
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,480
comments all right I will close public

680
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,480
hearing public

681
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:23,519
comments and uh look for approval of the

682
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:28,519
agenda or any changes sove

683
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:30,920
support all in favor I I

684
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,920
yeah

685
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:38,559
no okay uh moving on to the approval of

686
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:41,358
a the consent agenda

687
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:47,119
um we looks at the regular the board

688
00:40:41,358 --> 00:40:47,119
meeting minutes February 18th all in

689
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:54,719
favor and the clerk wer and the clerk's

690
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,039
Warren spills are we good do we have a

691
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,759
question on that uhuh I already have an

692
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,719
answer

693
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,720
there some

694
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,719
moved

695
00:41:04,358 --> 00:41:13,358
support all in favor I I I

696
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:16,358
oppose okay that motion

697
00:41:13,358 --> 00:41:16,358
carries

698
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:22,480
Communications Planning Commission

699
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,920
approved meeting minutes Planning

700
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,440
Commission meeting synopsis Livingston

701
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,480
County Sheriff report

702
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:35,519
and the attorney invoices

703
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,519
December 2024 and January

704
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,119
2025 any questions or

705
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,240
comments I'd like to discuss the

706
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:47,760
attorney invoices you can see they were

707
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,519
in the clerk's warrants and bills and

708
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,400
they've also been

709
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:53,679
provided in the

710
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,119
communications so we have several that

711
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:59,239
were for foster and Swift that were not

712
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:59,240
approved by the board

713
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:07,599
those they're included in the packet

714
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:12,160
that were um

715
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:14,280
from Mr KS and um Mr those those are

716
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:17,519
mine no it says right here on the

717
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,440
invoice phone conference with Mr H for

718
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:23,800
Foya request as well as yourself and

719
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:26,519
then the others for yours so it totals

720
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,119
$852 for foster and Swift and that was

721
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:30,838
unauthorized

722
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:32,960
charges um so with that being said I'd

723
00:42:30,838 --> 00:42:36,960
like to make a motion that legal fees

724
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,960
must have prior authorization from the

725
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:45,000
board you're meaning it we go outside of

726
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,519
our legal council right yes okay yes

727
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
when we do have contract so as legal

728
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,800
agent for the

729
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:55,559
township I can't just go out and get a

730
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,119
second opinion I need approval from

731
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,119
everyone to get a second

732
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:06,119
yes is that correct CH well there's two

733
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,318
issues can you seek advice from outside

734
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:11,200
councel the answer is yes however to pay

735
00:43:09,318 --> 00:43:13,159
that councel you need board

736
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,879
approval

737
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:19,759
okay

738
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:22,760
okay yep that's my motion all right I

739
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,760
second

740
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:31,399
motion all right well I will will say

741
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:35,480
they were Foster Swift was uh was very

742
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:38,519
careful with uh with not stepping on

743
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,519
your toes Chuck they they were very

744
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,519
professional

745
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:54,759
so so we have a motion that was

746
00:43:46,358 --> 00:43:54,759
seconded all in favor I I all oppos no

747
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,760
all

748
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:10,280
right any other

749
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:14,160
uh any other questions and communication

750
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:16,480
comments so I got a question you um on

751
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:20,879
attorney charges did we get charged for

752
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,880
the preparation of the cental

753
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,480
letter yes we did and we got how did you

754
00:44:24,358 --> 00:44:29,078
get board approval without since I was

755
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,119
never we have we have a contract with

756
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,160
him he's our general counsel we already

757
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,800
have board approval to use his services

758
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:37,440
in

759
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,200
consultation it's when you go outside

760
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:44,760
that approved Council so we can call him

761
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,759
anytime we

762
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:56,598
want all set do we have to approve

763
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:59,838
Communications yes we do I'm looking for

764
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:06,119
a motion to approve Communications so

765
00:44:59,838 --> 00:45:06,119
moved support all in favor I

766
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:17,480
oppose all right and now here is public

767
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:20,340
remarks agenda on agenda items only

768
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,458
correct we didn't get that par

769
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:23,459
[Music]

770
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,079
parenthesis any public public comments

771
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,078
on the

772
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:39,680
agenda all right I

773
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:42,399
will that pardon I got one all

774
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:44,598
right on the salaries I know over the

775
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,880
years

776
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,559
Scott everybody's been complaining about

777
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,358
the

778
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:53,640
salaries and I you know I I kind of did

779
00:45:50,358 --> 00:45:55,838
too and I i' like we always talked about

780
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:57,519
um may be bringing someone in more or

781
00:45:55,838 --> 00:45:59,920
less just do we have too many people in

782
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:03,440
working here or don't we have enough I

783
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:07,920
mean I I I I I'm not qualified to make

784
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:10,599
that judgment okay so all I know is we

785
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,639
have raises and we see other townships

786
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:15,119
so I'm not I don't want to bicker too

787
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:17,000
much if we're lying with Marion but I

788
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,519
want to ask you something

789
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Greg I I know you I don't know if you've

790
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,480
retired yet okay I don't know if you're

791
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,480
taking calls in the office for your

792
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,519
business or if you're doing business

793
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,760
trips out of the office here

794
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:34,239
um I do know in the paperwork that was

795
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,280
filed that we had a call for Hogan Road

796
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,558
for the

797
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,280
sewage 50 minutes went by and you're the

798
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,599
emergency contact and you never answered

799
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,040
the phone Jennifer had to take the call

800
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:48,200
okay 50 minutes that's almost an hour

801
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,838
okay I don't know what's going on in the

802
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:53,558
office but if these girls are picking up

803
00:46:49,838 --> 00:46:56,000
the slack I mean it everybody in the

804
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:58,559
office is picking up a slack because you

805
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,679
know you got a little side hustle fine I

806
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:04,079
I I I elected you to be

807
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,558
full-time all right and that's all I ask

808
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,039
all right it wouldn't be right for

809
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,640
anybody else in this office to have a

810
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,400
side hustle people that work here or

811
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:14,558
anybody else or any other officers I'd

812
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:17,400
be on them so I mean it wouldn't be

813
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:19,079
respectable for the taxpayer so if

814
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,800
you're still working your

815
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:23,280
job I I I can't justify 50 something

816
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,839
thousand a year if you're working two

817
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,040
jobs out of this office and if you're

818
00:47:25,838 --> 00:47:29,159
leaving this office and you're

819
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,440
accounting for the time so I think

820
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:34,598
everybody should be held accountable

821
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,599
everybody in this office so thank

822
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,480
you anybody

823
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:56,039
else all right we will close public

824
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:58,838
remarks and do we have any unfinished

825
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,838
business

826
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:08,960
all right we'll move on to uh new

827
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:11,920
business uh business item number one NYY

828
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:16,639
Road sewer break and Odor Control update

829
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:20,440
we have uh Brian and Frank from the

830
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:23,519
DPW welcome guys good evening thank

831
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:27,639
you can we get can we get Frank and

832
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,639
chair I can stand

833
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,358
thank you thank you Frank always kneels

834
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,358
in my

835
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,519
presence that's

836
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,558
netive no that wouldn't work anyway um

837
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:44,039
uh yeah my name is Brian jonier you know

838
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:47,720
Frank uh irban with my office I

839
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:50,440
appreciate the invite um I uh I was

840
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,838
going to spend a few minutes I know the

841
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,039
questions are on the the break I'm going

842
00:48:52,838 --> 00:48:57,199
to let him speak to that but I know

843
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:59,679
there's a lot of people who who haven't

844
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:01,279
been involved for very long on the sewer

845
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:05,318
and I just wanted to give a brief

846
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:09,519
overview to everybody kind of how the

847
00:49:05,318 --> 00:49:12,798
how it works from a thousand foot up um

848
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:17,880
the system we began discussions back in

849
00:49:12,798 --> 00:49:20,400
the late 90s and um uh at that point we

850
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,760
had a system on White Lake Road that

851
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,559
that uh served the people of renan lake

852
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,480
and so they had made back ' 70s or ' 80s

853
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:31,839
um had made the decision that they want

854
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,199
to protect their Lake it was put in um

855
00:49:31,838 --> 00:49:37,358
through the drain code through our

856
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:39,399
office although that long predates me so

857
00:49:37,358 --> 00:49:42,920
late '90s we were starting to see some

858
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,519
problems with the system and so we began

859
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:48,079
that process of going through the state

860
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,280
to uh try to put in a new system we had

861
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,760
an area for replacement that was already

862
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,359
intended for a new system and that's

863
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,760
when the township got in touch with us

864
00:49:54,358 --> 00:49:58,318
and said hey can we look into other

865
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,079
possibilities because we have areas

866
00:49:58,318 --> 00:50:05,239
along Old 23 for a commercial and some

867
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,599
other areas we'd like to consider um and

868
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,719
so there were a number of things they

869
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:12,838
looked at the you know a separate plant

870
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:16,439
um and then we also looked at uh with

871
00:50:12,838 --> 00:50:18,798
jese County to do something there and so

872
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:22,079
based on those discussions the township

873
00:50:18,798 --> 00:50:24,639
decided they wanted to move forward with

874
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,480
um kind of a broader project to take

875
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:29,400
care of their needs as well so

876
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,719
um I think that came online

877
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:35,200
2006 uh is when the Tyrone um portion of

878
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,598
the system came online in that time

879
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:40,358
Harland Township had issues with

880
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,599
groundwater contamination and so they

881
00:50:40,358 --> 00:50:46,920
came on to the process as well and so

882
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:49,240
overall the way this works is jenese

883
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,838
County um so all the ways from Harland

884
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:55,639
Tyrone is is transmitted up along the

885
00:50:52,838 --> 00:50:58,798
us23 corridor we have a system of about

886
00:50:55,639 --> 00:51:00,558
24 separate pump stations that takes the

887
00:50:58,798 --> 00:51:04,358
waste into jenese County where it's

888
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:08,798
treated at The District 3 plant in Lyon

889
00:51:04,358 --> 00:51:11,838
um and so those operations the treatment

890
00:51:08,798 --> 00:51:15,358
uh we through both townships built

891
00:51:11,838 --> 00:51:17,239
capacity into their system at that time

892
00:51:15,358 --> 00:51:20,400
and we utilize that for treatment of the

893
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:24,679
waste from Livingston County so we get a

894
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:27,519
bill from Gennesse County we take that

895
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:30,598
along with our operations since uh since

896
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:34,039
my office operates the system in both

897
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:37,920
townships and we combine our operations

898
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:41,199
and based on flow on on the gallonage

899
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:44,318
each Township is build um is build

900
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:46,960
monthly for uh those operations for the

901
00:51:44,318 --> 00:51:47,759
sum total we receive payments back from

902
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,720
the

903
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:56,319
township we repay jese County and then

904
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:59,118
any of our expenses are are uh uh are

905
00:51:56,318 --> 00:52:03,558
pay back through our sanitary fund from

906
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:06,318
the funds received from the townships so

907
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:10,319
um with that the operations I mentioned

908
00:52:06,318 --> 00:52:13,519
the 24 pump stations but we have uh over

909
00:52:10,318 --> 00:52:15,838
2,000 uh grinder pumps as well serving

910
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:18,920
individual homes so there's quite a few

911
00:52:15,838 --> 00:52:21,239
pumps in the system um and emergency

912
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:24,720
responses are something that we do on a

913
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:27,279
weekly basis so as an example

914
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:30,679
2024 we had some

915
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:34,599
450 plus or minus callouts over the

916
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:37,838
course of the Year 175 of which were

917
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:41,200
after hours or weekends and and that

918
00:52:37,838 --> 00:52:43,199
type of thing um so it's a regular

919
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:46,199
respons and usually that something was

920
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:49,159
somebody's grinder pump what we saw on

921
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:51,679
nyi something quite a bit bigger where

922
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:54,719
actually one of the main the force Mains

923
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:58,039
developed a leak in it and um and as

924
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:00,279
soon as that was reported to us um then

925
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:02,798
we immediately respond and start

926
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,400
shutting down pump stations so we can

927
00:53:02,798 --> 00:53:10,400
get that flow to stop so when we are

928
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:13,960
contacted about an emergency and so it

929
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:16,358
um it could be uh it could be you know

930
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,318
somebody thinks they saw Wastewater or

931
00:53:16,358 --> 00:53:21,119
there's Wastewater running down the road

932
00:53:18,318 --> 00:53:25,079
or we get calls about uh

933
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:27,640
algae um uh flooding it may be uh

934
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:29,920
sometimes there's backups in home homes

935
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:31,480
um and then that adds to our the rest of

936
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,000
our operations in our office which are

937
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,400
dams we maintain nearly a dozen dams

938
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,239
throughout the county and all of our uh

939
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,720
storm water drainage systems so any of

940
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,959
those those are all monitored and they

941
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:47,159
immediately go through a chain through

942
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,760
my staff and it notifies one and if

943
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:52,519
there's not immediate response it goes

944
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:55,920
to the next person and uh and so for and

945
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:57,079
and forward um so this is how the pro

946
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,119
the process

947
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:04,200
uh uh works and I know you know there's

948
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:07,039
a there's a lot of discussion on cost

949
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:11,118
obviously um some of the bigger things

950
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:13,558
this this uh NYY Road um NYY Hogan Road

951
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:15,519
um issue this is one of three that I

952
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:18,280
think I can remember in the last several

953
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:21,679
years that were Big Ticket items you

954
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:25,920
know six figures um some of them were

955
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:30,039
were quite a bit bigger and um and so we

956
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:34,760
have Reserve funds for that um we have

957
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,759
uh also as part of our operations we've

958
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:42,159
identified that was a spice thank you

959
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,159
thank you very

960
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,880
much somebody's looking out for me um

961
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,599
but anyway uh um all of our Assets in

962
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,358
this system are identified all of them

963
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:59,798
all the pumps all the components in

964
00:54:57,358 --> 00:55:02,480
there and our rates and and through that

965
00:54:59,798 --> 00:55:05,559
process we look at it and we give it a

966
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:08,920
risk assessment we look at the probable

967
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:11,480
lifespan and the um you know the

968
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,280
consequence of its failure everything is

969
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:17,960
given priorities and the lifespan is

970
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:21,640
figured in the cost for replacement so

971
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:24,199
it's it's really quite unique CU because

972
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:26,960
it's really I mean this is common in

973
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:28,439
Utility Systems but all the major

974
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,720
components in our system and their

975
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:34,639
replacement is built in to our rate

976
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:38,639
structure and that is why if we have a

977
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:41,879
large repair to do um that we don't have

978
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:44,920
to come back and and and raise rates and

979
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:48,480
if you'll notice so the last three major

980
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,720
breaks have totaled nearly a million

981
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,639
dollars um one of them being an

982
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,919
extraordinarily large

983
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:57,960
expense and um we're in our third year

984
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,119
now where we have not raised rates at

985
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,079
all we anticipate that'll go at least

986
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:06,200
another year and that's all because of

987
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:08,880
the predictive work that we do up front

988
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:11,639
so at a pup station if there's a pump in

989
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:16,200
there that's cost

990
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:18,440
$50,000 to replace we our rates already

991
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:21,279
include a schedule for its maintenance

992
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:24,200
and replacement and so that's all done

993
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,798
with the intent with two intents when

994
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:29,519
something fails uh that we are ready for

995
00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:32,519
it we have a replacement we've

996
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:35,358
identified the risk we can replace it

997
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:38,920
immediately and we don't have a loss of

998
00:56:35,358 --> 00:56:42,038
service to the people um on the system

999
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:44,200
um but um so that that is really

1000
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:47,119
important that that we have that because

1001
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:48,879
obviously when um we don't like it when

1002
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,640
the power goes out but we also don't

1003
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:55,240
like it when you can't flush or use your

1004
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:58,519
plumbing and that's the reason why um

1005
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,000
all of that is a assessed up front and

1006
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:02,880
uh and then we also have reserves for

1007
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,318
the things that that break we don't that

1008
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,240
we might not anticipate so I wanted to

1009
00:57:05,318 --> 00:57:10,558
kind of explain kind of the hierarchy

1010
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:14,078
there from Gennesse County on down and

1011
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:16,440
in general how um our our operations

1012
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:18,760
funds work in addition we have an

1013
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,440
Advisory Board which is very important

1014
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:24,480
includes both townships and the county

1015
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:28,200
um and Jennifer is uh very involved in

1016
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,920
that the the Township is involved in our

1017
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:32,919
operations there are a lot of times

1018
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:36,559
where you might hear something um well

1019
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:39,240
before we do um and vice versa and that

1020
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:41,599
input that we have on a monthly basis is

1021
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:45,439
critically important also our budget

1022
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:47,599
setting it requires a process whereby we

1023
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,039
have to submit proposed budget Advisory

1024
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:54,760
Board and then each Township so um and

1025
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:57,280
be happy to sit down with any and all of

1026
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,240
you at a later date to go in more detail

1027
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,798
but there's quite a process to it and

1028
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:04,199
it's generally worked really well and we

1029
00:58:01,798 --> 00:58:07,318
certainly appreciate the Township's

1030
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:09,239
participation in there because it is uh

1031
00:58:07,318 --> 00:58:12,798
critical for our operation and you guys

1032
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:15,399
are very much involved in it so with

1033
00:58:12,798 --> 00:58:19,239
that I'm going to I actually I have been

1034
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:22,318
going to the last three yes uh in fact

1035
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:25,038
we got one this Thursday so really good

1036
00:58:22,318 --> 00:58:28,119
uh good group yeah great having you too

1037
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:28,119
so welcome guys

1038
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:32,399
anytime all right

1039
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,318
so uh as far as the main break goes it's

1040
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,680
a pretty detailed outline uh we did

1041
00:58:34,318 --> 00:58:38,920
maintain contact throughout the event uh

1042
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:42,480
between the township Health Department

1043
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,480
newspapers stuff um one of the big

1044
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,960
things with it is that in answer to

1045
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,440
Scott's comment you got my right phone

1046
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,280
number now

1047
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:55,318
Frank yes I do I do I got I got all of

1048
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,559
them yeah yeah we had a little phone tag

1049
00:58:55,318 --> 00:59:00,759
going on there and that's it so it falls

1050
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:03,079
underneath uh act 451 from Ina part 31

1051
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,720
of that uh it's listed in the packet as

1052
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:07,680
well and it gives you the outline it's

1053
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:10,318
within 24 hours um our our operators in

1054
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,318
the field you're there to you know

1055
00:59:10,318 --> 00:59:14,558
isolate contain it start getting

1056
00:59:12,318 --> 00:59:16,079
repaired as soon as possible uh through

1057
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,519
State you know statue and everything we

1058
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:20,480
have 24 hours to make all the rest of

1059
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:21,599
the calls um without digging too far

1060
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,639
down into it the one thing I wanted to

1061
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,318
hit on uh was staff did an excellent job

1062
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:28,118
and responding to this we had it back up

1063
00:59:25,318 --> 00:59:30,358
and going very quickly uh the total cost

1064
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:32,200
on this here for for fixing everything

1065
00:59:30,358 --> 00:59:37,078
which we had to take and replace about

1066
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,078
143 section of pipe as well was

1067
00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:00,480
$143,600 another thing they the

1068
00:59:58,358 --> 01:00:03,719
residents need to know is your your a

1069
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,318
lot of that is cast correct we have a

1070
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:07,959
good portion of ductal iron piping in

1071
01:00:05,318 --> 01:00:12,119
the ground yes and it's all most of

1072
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:14,519
you're replacing it with uh hdp so that

1073
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:19,160
way we're not which will last well pass

1074
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:23,679
our lifetimes thank you so some it take

1075
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:26,920
it for GR yes sir we we actually to your

1076
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:29,038
point there uh we did have a a

1077
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,240
contractor that was working for M do hit

1078
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:33,240
our 15inch gravity B down on M59 a

1079
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,118
couple years back so yeah you are

1080
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:37,358
correct on that one sir um we try to do

1081
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:39,760
the best that we can with it we try to

1082
01:00:37,358 --> 01:00:42,759
keep it as cheap as possible but puty

1083
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,000
things in that last uh the te that's

1084
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,240
there that is something that we'll

1085
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,719
actually be talking about this Thursday

1086
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,959
at our board meeting uh for some changes

1087
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:51,798
to that you have two it's a pressure

1088
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,760
main you have two pump stations pumping

1089
01:00:51,798 --> 01:00:55,239
against each other it's not it's not a

1090
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,960
good design so we're we're looking at

1091
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:59,838
making some changes there otherwise uh

1092
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,280
specifically to the brake you're looking

1093
01:00:59,838 --> 01:01:05,199
at replacing the T with maybe a y or

1094
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,519
something to reduce the yes do a y from

1095
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:10,199
the center Mills Pump Station yeah and

1096
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:13,838
then bringing it up in from the south or

1097
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:15,558
from River Oaks coming in doing a y into

1098
01:01:13,838 --> 01:01:17,798
the into the pump station and then

1099
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,160
coming in from the south and and H the

1100
01:01:17,798 --> 01:01:20,838
other way correct that way we can have

1101
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,038
it too segregated and if you're working

1102
01:01:20,838 --> 01:01:24,599
on one line you ever done this see in

1103
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:27,039
there you're not doing multiple pump

1104
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:29,838
stations um

1105
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:32,319
so we have that coming up otherwise I

1106
01:01:29,838 --> 01:01:33,639
said it's as far as when it comes to to

1107
01:01:32,318 --> 01:01:37,239
brakes this one here as you can see in

1108
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:40,159
the pictures um it it it wasn't a full

1109
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:42,118
line break uh there's multiple areas

1110
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:44,879
that were small corrosion issue versus a

1111
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:46,920
break correct correct we've had we've

1112
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,000
had sections of pipe uh that we found

1113
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,880
and we're going through a process right

1114
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,440
now of trying to identify them all and

1115
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,039
test them you have one test that you can

1116
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,880
do to try to check the Integrity called

1117
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:56,760
Ed current test challenge with that is

1118
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,760
you're doing a poth hole and if you blow

1119
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,799
that pipe if it's too thin you have an

1120
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,920
emergency another one's acoustic testing

1121
01:02:01,798 --> 01:02:05,278
uh where we'll run a acoustic device

1122
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,880
down through the pipe looking for

1123
01:02:05,278 --> 01:02:10,278
corrosion looking for gas Pockets so on

1124
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,119
and so forth that one there is $75,000

1125
01:02:10,278 --> 01:02:15,920
to get the folks on well yeah 50,000 to

1126
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,838
get them on site and another $7,500 a

1127
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,480
mile after that the first getting them

1128
01:02:17,838 --> 01:02:22,318
on site and the first 50,000 does two

1129
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,960
miles so just for a point of reference

1130
01:02:22,318 --> 01:02:26,519
you have 5.2 miles between Clyde Road

1131
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,199
and NYY

1132
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:30,358
uh so that would be a very expensive way

1133
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,038
of doing it um obviously we want to be

1134
01:02:30,358 --> 01:02:33,880
good stewards of our residents money so

1135
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:36,079
we're looking at the most cost effective

1136
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,278
way of of being

1137
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,519
proactive ask a question on that that

1138
01:02:38,278 --> 01:02:44,239
you're talking about internal viewing of

1139
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:46,400
the pipe similar correct okay so do they

1140
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:49,000
give you any type of an idea of what the

1141
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,240
the risk is based on the year the bik of

1142
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,960
them fracturing when you do that so on

1143
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,479
this one here it's not like it's not

1144
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,639
like running a pig through like a gas

1145
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,880
man or nothing like that with this one

1146
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,159
here does it's a small ball and you're

1147
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,160
able to put it in through like a check

1148
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,558
valve or something that way it's in the

1149
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:04,480
Pip's in service while you're doing it

1150
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,519
it's not doing any Tye of loading of

1151
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:10,358
like a camera or nothing like that so

1152
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:12,599
it's it's very minimal impact to the

1153
01:03:10,358 --> 01:03:15,078
system when you do it that way and it'll

1154
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:17,359
give you a rough estimate so and it just

1155
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,160
it doesn't clean it just measure just

1156
01:03:17,358 --> 01:03:21,400
just measures looks for corrosion looks

1157
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:23,480
for gas Pockets so on your duct tile how

1158
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,358
how how accurate can that be if they've

1159
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,358
got build up on the inside of it what

1160
01:03:25,358 --> 01:03:27,759
are the ISS

1161
01:03:26,358 --> 01:03:29,598
with that they come into you know what

1162
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,960
I'm saying CU I looked at the last pipe

1163
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:34,480
and it it was supposed to be this and it

1164
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,240
was this so they're putting a ball

1165
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,000
through what size ball and what's the

1166
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:41,199
chances of you know of because of the

1167
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,480
the the buildup in there creating

1168
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:45,719
pressure so the the balls that they

1169
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,920
utilize are are very small it varies on

1170
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:50,118
size of the pipe uh floats down in there

1171
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,200
through the pipe um there's a lot of

1172
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:53,400
pressure on those

1173
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:55,078
pipes uh you know and the pressure

1174
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,559
remains so you can't just take it out of

1175
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:57,760
service there's not redundancy within

1176
01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:00,599
this system as far as we're being to

1177
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:03,839
hold for 12 hours or 15 hours we don't

1178
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:05,039
have that um as far as for any type of

1179
01:04:03,838 --> 01:04:06,599
buildup like that that was the first

1180
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,039
area that I've seen significant buildup

1181
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:10,720
and I think that has a lot to do with it

1182
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:12,520
and the two opposing pump stations um

1183
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:14,439
you know fighting each other so

1184
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:16,318
otherwise you know that section there we

1185
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,559
want to do right now uh there's a couple

1186
01:04:16,318 --> 01:04:19,440
other areas that we could do that we're

1187
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:21,039
kind of weighing out all the options and

1188
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,440
looking at the best course of action if

1189
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,559
you did like a ground penetrating radar

1190
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,278
system you're just seeing the pipe

1191
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,680
you're not really getting Integrity any

1192
01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:28,519
current test

1193
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:30,879
um most your high spots is where you're

1194
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:33,119
going to find gas build up uh those

1195
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,318
there a little bit more intrusive you do

1196
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,798
a hydro escavation to a pothole and and

1197
01:04:35,318 --> 01:04:39,558
send it through and so it's kind of that

1198
01:04:37,798 --> 01:04:42,480
was my next question you do dig tests

1199
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:46,519
and pipe evaluation based on outside

1200
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:48,559
surface and Hammer Ping On the duct tile

1201
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:49,759
yeah so the the the issue with that

1202
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:53,240
though is like if you look on I think

1203
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,359
it's page three on this year actually uh

1204
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,639
page

1205
01:04:54,358 --> 01:04:58,078
five um

1206
01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:01,000
the uh one

1207
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:02,680
more right there upper left hand corner

1208
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,440
that was during Hydro Excavation and

1209
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:07,719
that pipe there that was between the T

1210
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,400
and The Collector manhole that pipe was

1211
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:11,598
so thin that when we're doing the hydro

1212
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,400
escavation is blowing the pipe so that

1213
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:15,480
is a challenge with doing that type of

1214
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,519
test you know so there's a risk it's a

1215
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,920
risk or reward and and it's a balancing

1216
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:24,519
act to it answer your question there the

1217
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,000
AC two sck array um as it goes um and

1218
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,679
I'm not sure what type of beam that he

1219
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:31,239
uses um but it will measure the

1220
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:34,239
thickness of the wall and it'll tell us

1221
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:36,679
where when there's air pockets or where

1222
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:39,118
um there's thinness in that pipe as it

1223
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:40,798
goes so it does kind of a full x-ray of

1224
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:43,079
the system as it goes through it there

1225
01:05:40,798 --> 01:05:44,639
is one that does that but not this one

1226
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,720
that one there you need to have you need

1227
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:48,199
to have a different type of way of

1228
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:49,959
loading it in almost like a Peg and

1229
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:51,759
trying to do that on a system that is in

1230
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,679
surface uh it's not going to work out

1231
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,319
well and we don't have enough time to

1232
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:56,199
really hold flow at all the stations to

1233
01:05:55,318 --> 01:05:58,719
do it

1234
01:05:56,199 --> 01:06:00,278
but it somehow identifies areas of

1235
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:04,679
Interest where we may have that's where

1236
01:06:00,278 --> 01:06:08,159
you do it ID current so um that's the

1237
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:11,318
the the you know the short version quick

1238
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:12,719
version as far as the break goes um you

1239
01:06:11,318 --> 01:06:14,079
know we had Mr wood that came by he

1240
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,358
asked a question I do try to pay

1241
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,720
attention to your board meetings as well

1242
01:06:15,358 --> 01:06:19,278
and stay you know in contact with

1243
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:20,639
everyone as much as possible knowing

1244
01:06:19,278 --> 01:06:25,079
what's going on being responsive to

1245
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:27,118
their calls questions what have you um

1246
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:29,119
so with that is is there any questions

1247
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:31,440
from the board regarding the brake

1248
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:33,838
itself any additional is the clean up

1249
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,838
and completed correct it's all done

1250
01:06:33,838 --> 01:06:37,960
correct yes so that one there we you

1251
01:06:35,838 --> 01:06:39,199
know we contact the health department uh

1252
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,000
we mitigate it as much as possible we

1253
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:43,118
suck it up as much as possible uh if

1254
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,039
there's debris on the field or on the

1255
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,358
ground you pick up the debris this one

1256
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,839
here has almost went through a screen so

1257
01:06:46,358 --> 01:06:49,519
there wasn't any debris that was was

1258
01:06:47,838 --> 01:06:52,480
there uh suck up as much of the sewage

1259
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:53,480
as possible um and then from there if

1260
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,798
it's summertime or something like that

1261
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,760
you can put like a line down to raise

1262
01:06:55,798 --> 01:06:58,318
and didn't K off anything other than

1263
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,720
that UV takes care of any you know

1264
01:06:58,318 --> 01:07:00,719
additional

1265
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:08,640
stuff so um in regards to the Odor

1266
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:10,960
Control uh there's a few residents in

1267
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:12,960
the area that I keep in contact with at

1268
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,559
least once a month or so sometimes maybe

1269
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,079
a month and a half I'll call and check

1270
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,559
in with them or email and check in with

1271
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:22,680
them uh see how it's going uh we've

1272
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:25,599
tried chemicals we've tried carbon we've

1273
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:28,519
tried uh introducing irration systems

1274
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:30,200
here we've tried to do wood ship beds

1275
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:32,159
cover wood ship beds wood ship beds with

1276
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,000
a carbon polishing element on it trying

1277
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:36,798
to find the cheapest uh and most

1278
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,798
effective way doing it the H2S at that

1279
01:07:36,798 --> 01:07:42,838
area averages 250 parts per million and

1280
01:07:39,798 --> 01:07:45,400
it Peaks up at times at 625 parts per

1281
01:07:42,838 --> 01:07:48,199
million uh the Loa so like what people

1282
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:50,440
can normally smell at is 01 parts per

1283
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:52,919
million on H2S so you're going to pick

1284
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:55,519
it up very quickly uh the system that we

1285
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,400
put in place uh we vetted had engineers

1286
01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:58,679
that we were in discussion with

1287
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,838
different consultants and found that

1288
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:05,239
this one here would be the best course

1289
01:08:00,838 --> 01:08:06,759
of action both for mitigation and with

1290
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:09,598
uh the overall cost of operation and

1291
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,559
maintenance over time um car if we did

1292
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:13,240
like a carbon vessel the cost on carbon

1293
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:16,159
would have been well over half a million

1294
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:19,439
dollars more over the 20-y year andm uh

1295
01:08:16,158 --> 01:08:22,198
this one here uh comes down a lot more

1296
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:25,759
um with that though it does

1297
01:08:22,198 --> 01:08:28,000
99.9% of the H2S that it's that's reach

1298
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:30,238
being a biological in carbon there's

1299
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,439
going to be Peaks uh I I want to make

1300
01:08:30,238 --> 01:08:35,039
sure that I hit hard on that it is a

1301
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:37,079
mitigation uh Odor Control is something

1302
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:40,158
that especially when it comes to sewers

1303
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:41,759
uh you can drive by any plant in America

1304
01:08:40,158 --> 01:08:43,679
or anywhere else and you're you're going

1305
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:45,039
to not ever you're going to find times

1306
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:46,838
where you're going to smell something is

1307
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,880
it possible build a building around it

1308
01:08:46,838 --> 01:08:52,198
that you could try to cleanse the air as

1309
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,520
before ex you small steel structure that

1310
01:08:52,198 --> 01:08:58,000
we could put around it closed in enclose

1311
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,040
it put filtration system on that to help

1312
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,158
you know cuz I I've worked in that area

1313
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:04,759
in the summertime and it it some days it

1314
01:09:02,158 --> 01:09:06,879
gets it gets bad so this one here we we

1315
01:09:04,759 --> 01:09:08,319
installed it in November we had an issue

1316
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,640
with the biological culture on it that

1317
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,920
died off we had to get that restarted uh

1318
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,239
then there were some challenges on

1319
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,319
Logistics with getting carbon BR in uh

1320
01:09:14,238 --> 01:09:17,479
from out of state for that unit uh

1321
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,960
there's a performance test coming up

1322
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,559
this summer on it I told him I wanted to

1323
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,759
hold off on that to make sure it's fully

1324
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,839
meeting the performance guarantee with

1325
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:27,880
that system in addition to that um I

1326
01:09:24,838 --> 01:09:30,000
reached out to to a third party uh odor

1327
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,359
consultant all they do is do order

1328
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,880
control studies across the whole state

1329
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,120
they don't represent any product uh so

1330
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,239
what they do is they come out they look

1331
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:38,679
at it they see if there's any other

1332
01:09:37,238 --> 01:09:40,238
Technologies out there or anything else

1333
01:09:38,679 --> 01:09:41,158
they could do differently or add to it

1334
01:09:40,238 --> 01:09:44,599
uh some of the things that we could

1335
01:09:41,158 --> 01:09:46,838
possibly do here would be uh maybe some

1336
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,600
Upstream additives or something like

1337
01:09:46,838 --> 01:09:49,880
that to it uh and talking to the the

1338
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,079
residents and then before I came here

1339
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:55,480
tonight I drove by there as well um it's

1340
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:58,600
definitely improved from years past by

1341
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:01,639
lot um I did get a faint odor right

1342
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,120
outside of of of the uh fence on the

1343
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:06,199
west side of the the site but otherwise

1344
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:07,640
it's doing really well um so we're going

1345
01:10:06,198 --> 01:10:09,319
to look at having someone else come out

1346
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,520
there and look at additional options the

1347
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:12,399
thing with building another structure

1348
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,120
around it is is the cost maintenance of

1349
01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:16,519
that structure as well as you still

1350
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:19,000
having to do additional abatement from

1351
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,239
the structure uh and then when it comes

1352
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,600
to any type of Maintenance with pulling

1353
01:10:20,238 --> 01:10:23,039
pumps or anything out of that location

1354
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,520
it has to be a large enough structure or

1355
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:27,079
removable roof to be able to actually

1356
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,120
get in there and pull pull it out system

1357
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:31,399
yep so that would add additional cost

1358
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:33,599
for maintenance and stuff as well so

1359
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,639
we're looking at all the options um and

1360
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,920
we're going to keep doing everything we

1361
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,320
can to mitigate it as best best possible

1362
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,440
and constantly stay rest of new

1363
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:43,679
technologies so really this summer we'll

1364
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:47,079
probably tell us whether this

1365
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:48,399
carbon is at so this summer we'll get a

1366
01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:49,640
good hint summer is always a little bit

1367
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:51,000
different as your hum changes

1368
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,079
temperature changes you're going to get

1369
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:56,158
different levels um but yeah this summer

1370
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:58,000
we we'll get to see more

1371
01:10:56,158 --> 01:11:00,319
um and then I have it ready to go for

1372
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,119
for this week's uh packet with the BPW

1373
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:03,639
as well to discuss more on on that third

1374
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:06,439
party to come in after the performance

1375
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,239
testing as well depending on that okay

1376
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,479
so we're constantly trying to stay on it

1377
01:11:08,238 --> 01:11:10,759
talk to the Presidents we let them know

1378
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,519
if you smell something you're not there

1379
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,920
you know they live there and we're

1380
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,040
trying to do our best to ensure that

1381
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,480
it's

1382
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:20,279
mitigated I have a quick question

1383
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,079
fullest

1384
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:26,679
um I drive the corridor from Heartland

1385
01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:28,000
to Grand Blink several times a week and

1386
01:11:26,679 --> 01:11:30,640
I'm just wondering if there's something

1387
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,560
about this particular location that

1388
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,840
makes it particularly challenging

1389
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,159
because I don't catch those smells

1390
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:41,520
anywhere else um so what is it about

1391
01:11:38,158 --> 01:11:43,799
that environment or that system that you

1392
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,080
believe to be the problem so there's a

1393
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,279
lot of different things I mean the the

1394
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:48,639
problem is the elevated H to us there's

1395
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:50,639
many different things that can can

1396
01:11:48,639 --> 01:11:51,560
happen there uh one it's a high point in

1397
01:11:50,639 --> 01:11:55,319
the

1398
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:56,560
system um you know you have that uh the

1399
01:11:55,319 --> 01:12:00,920
wind direction is going to play a role

1400
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:02,239
in it um humidity everything else you

1401
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,760
know it's trying to really pinpoint

1402
01:12:02,238 --> 01:12:06,000
what's causing it you know the known

1403
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,880
that we have is that there's high

1404
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,840
concentrations of HS location it's a

1405
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,880
high point so it's really trying to

1406
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,520
further mitigate elsewhere as it's

1407
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:18,039
coming in um it's one of our main pump

1408
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,480
stations and it's close to Residence um

1409
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:21,960
that that makes it very very challenging

1410
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,119
to mitigate it okay the other thing is

1411
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,480
any you know usually you don't see long

1412
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:30,158
transit times in terms of miles um with

1413
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:34,599
sanitary and whenever you have waste

1414
01:12:30,158 --> 01:12:37,559
water in an enclosed pipe um you know a

1415
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:41,239
force M what happens is the bacteria in

1416
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:43,239
there will liberate that sulfur and so

1417
01:12:41,238 --> 01:12:46,439
it's not a problem until it comes out

1418
01:12:43,238 --> 01:12:49,319
into that pump station and so we dealt

1419
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:52,879
with it um down in Heartland at Collide

1420
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:55,759
roow um it's been a problem on and off

1421
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:59,119
but anytime you're transferring

1422
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Wastewater um a large distance where it

1423
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:04,238
goes anerobic there's no Oxygen um and

1424
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:07,119
so we Tred different things like you try

1425
01:13:04,238 --> 01:13:09,718
to give them nitrates uh which

1426
01:13:07,119 --> 01:13:12,079
apparently Tes better to bacteria for

1427
01:13:09,719 --> 01:13:14,600
them to go after um so they'll leave the

1428
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:17,119
sulfur alone we've tried that tried a

1429
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,480
whole bunch of other things um killing

1430
01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:22,479
them off that that type of thing um so

1431
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:25,238
that's actually probably one of the

1432
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:29,000
single biggest issues is that long

1433
01:13:25,238 --> 01:13:32,000
Transit time in pipe no oxygen and

1434
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:34,439
typically sewer systems aren't as spread

1435
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,359
out kind of wish when they designed it

1436
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:40,839
somebody would have brought that up at

1437
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:43,880
the time um but weing the hard way are

1438
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,639
all 20 you said 24 stations along that

1439
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,440
Corridor and those are all original to

1440
01:13:45,639 --> 01:13:49,279
when the system was put in or do they

1441
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:54,000
get

1442
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:57,359
Pally added all the Tyrone systems are

1443
01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:00,439
new those put in in the 2000s some of

1444
01:13:57,359 --> 01:14:05,599
the Harland ones were um initially

1445
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:08,198
constructed by our office in the early

1446
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:11,079
actually late 80s I think first sewers

1447
01:14:08,198 --> 01:14:14,198
went in there um so some of those are

1448
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:17,000
older systems but basically once you get

1449
01:14:14,198 --> 01:14:19,479
north of heart those are all

1450
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:22,719
new and there's no feasible way to move

1451
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,079
that away from residents probably and

1452
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:25,560
forgive me for not knowing your

1453
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:28,760
infrastructure well

1454
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:31,960
yeah well you know there's always a way

1455
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:35,440
you know and it's just the cost and you

1456
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:39,079
know I think at this point you know if

1457
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:42,638
this doesn't work which we think we can

1458
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:44,119
we can get it to work um but there then

1459
01:14:42,639 --> 01:14:46,880
I think we've got to talk about

1460
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:49,238
something extraordinary because those

1461
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,600
residents um they certainly haven't

1462
01:14:49,238 --> 01:14:54,238
deserved to have dealt with that for the

1463
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,440
years that they have yeah and so we

1464
01:14:54,238 --> 01:14:58,638
finally said you know we're just gonna

1465
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:01,919
we're going to be Consulting in there

1466
01:14:58,639 --> 01:15:06,079
and we'll spend what it needs to do

1467
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:08,000
because um you know times they give up

1468
01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:11,319
things you know doing things in their

1469
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,399
yards and that's certainly not fair um

1470
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:15,960
we weren't there first either so we have

1471
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:18,879
a responsibility to resolve this you

1472
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:22,960
know so that may be a discussion we

1473
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:25,760
don't think it is um we think we're get

1474
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:29,039
and continuing to look at things

1475
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:31,920
um you know there's always you know

1476
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:34,119
something can upset it so looking at

1477
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,440
additional safety factors factors to

1478
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:38,760
help prevent that something we're

1479
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,519
looking at now even though seems to be

1480
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,280
working pretty good right now thank you

1481
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,040
yeah it would be a multi-million dollar

1482
01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:48,719
project I believe you um so another

1483
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:50,800
thing you mentioned talked earlier about

1484
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:53,000
Upstream additives you talked about

1485
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,239
oxygen uh one of thing you can do is add

1486
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,319
oxygen into the system as well you have

1487
01:15:55,238 --> 01:15:58,479
to be careful with that where you're

1488
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:59,359
adding it you don't want cavitation you

1489
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,959
know different things like that with

1490
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:03,439
your pumps uh with getting air in there

1491
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,520
um but there are stuff like that that

1492
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:08,479
that we can do it you can look at EPA

1493
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,120
guidelines on odor batement and such and

1494
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,718
they have that as one of the recommended

1495
01:16:10,119 --> 01:16:13,760
areas as well or Technologies available

1496
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:16,039
uh but it's definitely one of those

1497
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,800
things that everyone struggles with when

1498
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:21,800
it comes to sewer is is is odor

1499
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:23,400
abatement yeah thank you so thank you

1500
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,239
guys

1501
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:27,719
great all right

1502
01:16:26,238 --> 01:16:29,198
see if you have any questions though

1503
01:16:27,719 --> 01:16:36,760
feel free to give me a

1504
01:16:29,198 --> 01:16:36,759
call whatever you see you guys Thursday

1505
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:40,519
sir thank

1506
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:52,119
you all

1507
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,760
right

1508
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:58,279
uh item number two

1509
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,119
a question um sure I should have noticed

1510
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:02,880
so but isn't that kind of like out of

1511
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:04,359
order because we have resolutions for

1512
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,199
salaries unless you got everybody's

1513
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,359
already predetermined that those

1514
01:17:06,198 --> 01:17:11,279
salaries are going to be the salaries

1515
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:11,279
wouldn't that affect the

1516
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:16,319
budget I mean shouldn't we have done the

1517
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:18,559
salaries before we did accepted the

1518
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:21,279
budget because the salaries are part of

1519
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,280
the budget

1520
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,718
correct just got I mean I I I didn't

1521
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,320
really wasn't looking that closely but I

1522
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:29,719
I was looking unless unless everybody's

1523
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:32,359
already decided that's the salary and

1524
01:17:29,719 --> 01:17:34,920
that's what they're voting on um which

1525
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:36,158
which scary without a discussion it

1526
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,039
would affect the it would affect the

1527
01:17:36,158 --> 01:17:39,039
budget if we change it

1528
01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:48,559
correct but it is a budget and it does

1529
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,679
get changed I mean so I mean your point

1530
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,400
yeah we should I think I apologize for

1531
01:17:50,679 --> 01:17:55,600
not notic probably should have been the

1532
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:57,599
other way I don't know I

1533
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,440
I do want to point out so the resolution

1534
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,400
to adopt the budget by totals if you

1535
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:05,479
look at the resolution your question is

1536
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:08,039
answered there so look at the resolution

1537
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:11,158
you're can you get to that

1538
01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:14,960
page right there yep okay so you're

1539
01:18:11,158 --> 01:18:17,000
unallocated your fund excuse me can you

1540
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:21,719
guys be quiet thank

1541
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:25,479
you um Department 272 unallocated the

1542
01:18:21,719 --> 01:18:28,279
17,000 391 thank you

1543
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:30,678
if you add that to the department 277

1544
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,960
which is our insurance bonds and fringes

1545
01:18:30,679 --> 01:18:36,119
the

1546
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:37,639
26958 there is your on your scale if

1547
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:39,039
your salaries are part of your your

1548
01:18:37,639 --> 01:18:41,400
budget for your for the treasury

1549
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:44,479
Department right your salary is part of

1550
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:47,519
it right so if we change that it changes

1551
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:49,319
what your budget is up down doesn't

1552
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,199
matter and again as long as we all

1553
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:53,079
understand that we may accept this

1554
01:18:51,198 --> 01:18:56,519
budget but it's not we may immediately

1555
01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:58,880
change it right the resolution sents out

1556
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,760
right which yeah I understand kind of

1557
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:05,359
seems backwards to me but

1558
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:08,360
okay so who question was

1559
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:12,759
that we'll talk to so anyway so those

1560
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:14,799
two those two line items equal that um

1561
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:18,280
other expenditures that you were asking

1562
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,279
about just so you

1563
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:24,760
know we we can give that to Jim right he

1564
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,960
was the other gentleman that was asking

1565
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,119
which two Jennifer unallocated they

1566
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:32,560
unallocated the

1567
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:36,399
17391 and the um Department 277

1568
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:38,960
insurance bonds and fringes of 260

1569
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:42,119
that's your other expenses or those two

1570
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,800
other things everything else is on there

1571
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:48,599
again your transfers out are the 400,000

1572
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:52,560
that we transfer from the

1573
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:55,560
um budget or to from the general fund to

1574
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,960
the road fund and then 100 ,000 went to

1575
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,080
the building fund and that's for so the

1576
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:03,319
transfer out was 400 for what was it

1577
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:06,158
again roads roads and 100 for for um

1578
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:09,960
building fund okay and then the other

1579
01:20:06,158 --> 01:20:13,599
expenditures were the uh

1580
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:16,600
unallocated number 272 for

1581
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:19,480
177,000 get to your resolution yeah yeah

1582
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:22,960
I'm trying to go backwards

1583
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,919
now with your little Pike tur well and

1584
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,800
also can I point out this is what I was

1585
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,840
talking about with the green bar so the

1586
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:31,440
unallocated if you're looking for a list

1587
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,440
of expenses Dean page eight of this

1588
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,759
green bar document which is on the

1589
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,599
website it shows the budget by

1590
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,840
department so so the green green chart

1591
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,320
wasn't in the packet it no it's it's on

1592
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,679
the website on the website but if you

1593
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:46,799
write down page eight there's a whole

1594
01:20:44,679 --> 01:20:51,000
list here of unallocated expenses that

1595
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:54,119
tells which are what what um office

1596
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:56,119
supplies address sign expense excess

1597
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:58,920
copies telephone expense internet

1598
01:20:56,119 --> 01:21:01,920
communications postage postage meter

1599
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,840
charges passport postage expense server

1600
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,679
pre and email annual maintenance

1601
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,440
document shredding computer software

1602
01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:09,319
annual maintenance Printing and

1603
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,960
Publishing equipment repairs and

1604
01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:14,319
maintenance copy or

1605
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:16,840
lease um there's a miscellaneous of

1606
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:19,759
$800 and that's it so all that comes up

1607
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:22,000
to the 278 34 that comes out to the

1608
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,119
17,000 the 17 I wasn't worried about the

1609
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,039
17 and then it gets added to the next

1610
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:29,039
section right underneath it also page

1611
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:31,679
eight and on to just page eight sorry

1612
01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:33,679
that is the insurance bonds INF fringes

1613
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:36,560
and that's the rest of it yeah insurance

1614
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:38,800
bonds infringes are 260,000

1615
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:41,120
that's your

1616
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,560
difference so really wouldn't have been

1617
01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:45,079
hard to put that in the pie chart then

1618
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:47,719
there's only four things

1619
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:50,319
basically two two of them came up to the

1620
01:21:47,719 --> 01:21:52,960
500,000 that were out transferred out

1621
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:54,960
and the others were the the were a

1622
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,880
couple three things it would have been

1623
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,920
pretty easy to to break that pie chart

1624
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,440
so that at least the residents would

1625
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,560
have known where 800,000 cuz I think

1626
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,158
it's it's important for them to over

1627
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,840
that 800,000 W not just generally it's

1628
01:22:06,158 --> 01:22:09,439
out there and yeah we're going to you

1629
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,199
know take your work for it we're not

1630
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:14,439
ripping you off you know what Casey put

1631
01:22:12,198 --> 01:22:17,039
that together right we can we can do

1632
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,559
that Dean that that is not and that's

1633
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:20,479
all I was asking FR it's just a little

1634
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:23,360
bit more explanation of so that you know

1635
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,319
it's I'm a I'm not I'm not a finance guy

1636
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:28,399
you know I dig ditches for

1637
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:30,319
you know so you know it's to me I I I

1638
01:22:28,399 --> 01:22:33,399
like things explained to me where I can

1639
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:34,679
I can make sense of do and again I two

1640
01:22:33,399 --> 01:22:36,039
weeks I probably could have figured that

1641
01:22:34,679 --> 01:22:39,359
out if I looked at all of it but I

1642
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:39,359
didn't have two weeks I had two

1643
01:22:40,198 --> 01:22:47,719
days and we have been through it three

1644
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,319
times with Casey so we took we made some

1645
01:22:47,719 --> 01:22:50,679
assumptions yeah and that's what I'm

1646
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:52,119
saying you guys do it all the time you

1647
01:22:50,679 --> 01:22:54,158
look at it every day it makes complete

1648
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:57,760
sense to you but like I say to the ditch

1649
01:22:54,158 --> 01:22:57,759
diggers over here I'm

1650
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,919
confused I got a

1651
01:23:07,639 --> 01:23:10,639
not

1652
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:17,559
okay so resolution um we need a motion

1653
01:23:16,238 --> 01:23:21,000
to

1654
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:24,199
uh to accept the budget as uh as

1655
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:25,800
proposed before we do that can I jump in

1656
01:23:24,198 --> 01:23:27,319
about the townhouse because that still

1657
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,760
has not been

1658
01:23:27,319 --> 01:23:33,399
discussed and that's part of our please

1659
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:35,119
dodg yes yes

1660
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:39,519
um

1661
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:41,079
so the Historical Society um has been

1662
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,639
working on the historic townhouse

1663
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:45,479
project this is year three and should be

1664
01:23:43,639 --> 01:23:49,639
the final phase of that

1665
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:53,039
project um we put together a

1666
01:23:49,639 --> 01:23:56,679
budget as to what we plan to do to

1667
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:58,519
finish that project this spring includes

1668
01:23:56,679 --> 01:24:01,399
um items such as exterior paint and

1669
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:04,760
siding repairs a new rear door an ADA

1670
01:24:01,399 --> 01:24:07,039
accessible ramp uh brick walkway

1671
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:09,400
installation finish details and paint

1672
01:24:07,039 --> 01:24:11,760
for the front porch new handicap parking

1673
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:14,479
lines on the existing lot final

1674
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:17,600
Landscaping signage and designation as a

1675
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:20,678
Historic Landmark application and marker

1676
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:24,400
if that's approved by the state

1677
01:24:20,679 --> 01:24:26,440
um the Historical Society plans to spend

1678
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,399
the rest of their townhouse fund which

1679
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,799
is up to

1680
01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:32,559
$110,000 and has also applied for an

1681
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:35,560
additional $5,000 Grant to contribute to

1682
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,880
those expenses an estimated additional

1683
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:42,520
30,000 will be needed to complete the

1684
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:47,920
project and that is reflected in um that

1685
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:49,760
green bar drafted budget so um also the

1686
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:53,760
one thing that's different this year is

1687
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,960
that the his last year when um both the

1688
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,239
township in the Historical Society

1689
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,359
partnered on this project the township

1690
01:24:58,238 --> 01:25:03,198
paid what they agreed to pay first and

1691
01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:05,679
then the Historical Society um picked up

1692
01:25:03,198 --> 01:25:07,599
the tab thereafter and we made those

1693
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:09,158
dollars go as far as we could and so

1694
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,239
this year that's going to be the

1695
01:25:09,158 --> 01:25:13,399
opposite the historical society is going

1696
01:25:11,238 --> 01:25:18,519
to pay what they have left in that

1697
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:21,238
account first um because donations and

1698
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:24,520
Grant funds that were donated to the

1699
01:25:21,238 --> 01:25:28,479
Historical Society have been set aside

1700
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:30,920
for that purpose and so um when people

1701
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:33,279
make a donation to a specific project

1702
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:36,000
we're responsible for making sure that

1703
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:37,599
those dollars go toward that project so

1704
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,920
given that's a Final Phase the

1705
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,280
Historical Society has agreed that

1706
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:46,079
they're going to spend their dollars

1707
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:47,158
first before anything then gets sent to

1708
01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:49,559
the

1709
01:25:47,158 --> 01:25:52,439
township so I don't know if anybody on

1710
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:55,199
the board has questions about that but

1711
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:57,079
no where we're at I think that's So the

1712
01:25:55,198 --> 01:25:59,118
plan so we're saying you get you the to

1713
01:25:57,079 --> 01:26:01,359
they need an additional 30,000 to finish

1714
01:25:59,118 --> 01:26:05,158
it okay and is that in the budget uh

1715
01:26:01,359 --> 01:26:06,519
it's where's where's that at just so we

1716
01:26:05,158 --> 01:26:07,759
I'm going to ask somebody say I had to

1717
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,639
ask because there was a question last

1718
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,360
time whe it was a $10,000 was supposed

1719
01:26:09,639 --> 01:26:13,440
to been spent and nobody could find it

1720
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,359
in the budget we I assumed it was

1721
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:18,399
because it was spent and it paid do you

1722
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:19,639
mean the 10 $10,000 That was supposed to

1723
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:22,599
be

1724
01:26:19,639 --> 01:26:24,400
contributed as part of a settlement no I

1725
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,520
I no I don't think so I'm not sure

1726
01:26:24,399 --> 01:26:28,519
somebody asked me and so I'd like to

1727
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,920
make sure that we when somebody asked me

1728
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:34,040
this time yep I had to ask to yeah

1729
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:35,639
where's that 30,000 say it's right here

1730
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:37,479
it's in the section of that green bar

1731
01:26:35,639 --> 01:26:41,199
called Capital

1732
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:44,079
overlay um I I'll try to get you a page

1733
01:26:41,198 --> 01:26:46,839
number is is there any reason is it just

1734
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:48,719
one light item just 30,000 or is it

1735
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,600
included in with other things it's

1736
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:55,639
included with the well with the well

1737
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:58,039
yeah we get included with the well

1738
01:26:55,639 --> 01:27:00,039
I that I can't answer can can we put a

1739
01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:01,079
line item for the township house with

1740
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:02,560
their we're going to have additional

1741
01:27:01,079 --> 01:27:04,880
maintenance let's why is there any we

1742
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,560
can't create a line item for the

1743
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,920
townhouse it's going to have we have to

1744
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,920
maintain it for the rest of its life

1745
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,279
correct correct and we want to do that

1746
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:15,199
as far as I know so why don't we why do

1747
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:16,880
our budget not have a line item that

1748
01:27:15,198 --> 01:27:21,279
every year we can budget what we think

1749
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:23,159
fund's necessary for maintaining the

1750
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:24,519
townhouse Jennifer I'm going to let you

1751
01:27:23,158 --> 01:27:27,319
answer that one well we can talk to

1752
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,199
Casey about it our count um not

1753
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:31,158
everything has a line item I I know that

1754
01:27:29,198 --> 01:27:32,559
but you just can't have that now our

1755
01:27:31,158 --> 01:27:35,039
residance I think good like to see with

1756
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,600
for that I do I mean I think I think

1757
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:38,319
they proved it was very important I

1758
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:41,560
think it's good timing to bring it up

1759
01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:43,118
Dean because um you know the ongoing

1760
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,920
maintenance I know the Historical

1761
01:27:43,118 --> 01:27:47,920
Society hopes to be a partner in that um

1762
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:51,158
in this spring when we apply for

1763
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:54,600
occupancy and hope to reopen it to the

1764
01:27:51,158 --> 01:27:56,158
public um we have to have a discussion

1765
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,840
between the township and the Historical

1766
01:27:56,158 --> 01:27:59,960
Society about how that building is going

1767
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,159
to be used who's managing it if there's

1768
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:04,359
incoming revenue and I know that

1769
01:28:02,158 --> 01:28:06,079
personally I feel strongly that any

1770
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:08,839
incoming Revenue should go toward the

1771
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:11,158
maintenance of that building so we have

1772
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,360
to figure that all out and maybe it is a

1773
01:28:11,158 --> 01:28:16,039
good idea then to have we have a fun for

1774
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:17,719
it I think so yeah and and we'll talk

1775
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:21,600
with Casey about I think that's a good

1776
01:28:17,719 --> 01:28:24,319
idea okay you I I and I I don't think

1777
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:28,280
that's a big deal

1778
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:30,399
yeah to add that as a line

1779
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:34,439
item because it is going to be an

1780
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:38,359
ongoing thing from here on out and

1781
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,359
always has been yeah it will

1782
01:28:41,319 --> 01:28:47,238
be any other any other

1783
01:28:44,238 --> 01:28:47,238
questions

1784
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:56,479
comments I make a

1785
01:28:51,479 --> 01:29:00,599
motion to approve okay motion to

1786
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:04,198
adopt I make a motion to adopt the 2025

1787
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:06,199
the 2025 26 budget by Department totals

1788
01:29:04,198 --> 01:29:09,279
by Department

1789
01:29:06,198 --> 01:29:12,158
totals I'll second

1790
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:15,519
second and we have to have a vote Yes a

1791
01:29:12,158 --> 01:29:19,399
roll call for yes Chris repeta absent

1792
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:23,480
Dean H yes Sarah dolman Jersy yes her

1793
01:29:19,399 --> 01:29:27,238
Ferguson yes Greg KS yes Jennifer Eden

1794
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:27,238
yes Pam Mo

1795
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:35,158
yes all right

1796
01:29:35,198 --> 01:29:40,678
carries on to uh business line item

1797
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,840
number

1798
01:29:40,679 --> 01:29:46,840
three uh General Appropriations act

1799
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,840
resolution

1800
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:07,158
this is pretty much a copy

1801
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:08,570
of I don't know what we've done how many

1802
01:30:07,158 --> 01:30:10,198
years now

1803
01:30:08,569 --> 01:30:15,439
[Applause]

1804
01:30:10,198 --> 01:30:15,439
yeah so any questions

1805
01:30:19,810 --> 01:30:22,909
[Music]

1806
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:32,079
for a motion yes I make a motion

1807
01:30:29,039 --> 01:30:35,238
resolution resolution okay General

1808
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:35,238
appropriation and

1809
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:43,519
resolution maybe she I got a second I

1810
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:52,520
support okay Jennifer Eden yes Sarah

1811
01:30:48,840 --> 01:31:01,199
dolman Jersey yes Herman Ferguson yes

1812
01:30:52,520 --> 01:31:01,199
CHR P absent Dean H yes pars yes Pam

1813
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:09,760
yes item number four the Headly

1814
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,759
operating millage

1815
01:31:11,118 --> 01:31:17,319
resolution this is just a resolution

1816
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:21,039
saying that we can um authorize up 2

1817
01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:25,519
point 9018 Mills to be

1818
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:28,920
levied for operating purposes

1819
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,920
for the 25 26

1820
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,479
year and what is it currently I I I'm

1821
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:40,920
sorry

1822
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,919
for8 say

1823
01:31:44,238 --> 01:31:51,399
8733 I think I I guess I'd like know I

1824
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:52,439
is 0.9 that we're able to but I think we

1825
01:31:51,399 --> 01:31:55,679
it's

1826
01:31:52,439 --> 01:32:01,279
8733 I believe

1827
01:31:55,679 --> 01:32:04,800
what you're Curr right right the right

1828
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:06,840
so this means we we can Levy up to this

1829
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,079
much I just was curious what it was

1830
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,960
right what's the

1831
01:32:08,079 --> 01:32:13,600
maximum what the max is this is that

1832
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:15,760
same is the old Max the same I guess

1833
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,719
that's my question are we raising what

1834
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:22,239
we can do or is it the same as last year

1835
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:24,480
do we know the point the 901 I think

1836
01:32:22,238 --> 01:32:28,198
it's the same same okay was that's I was

1837
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,198
Wonder yeah it was the same

1838
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:39,480
okay so

1839
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:41,719
I'm looking for resolution resolution

1840
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,718
for

1841
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:46,239
that I move to approve the resolution

1842
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,679
number

1843
01:32:46,238 --> 01:32:52,599
25303

1844
01:32:48,679 --> 01:32:59,359
support and roll call Sarah dman Jersey

1845
01:32:52,600 --> 01:33:05,480
yes K Ferguson yes Greg cens

1846
01:32:59,359 --> 01:33:08,960
yes Jennifer Eden yes Dean H yes CH

1847
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,959
absent Pam offord

1848
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:23,800
yes number five Senate bill number seven

1849
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:26,239
health insurance provision for 2025 2026

1850
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,239
fisal

1851
01:33:30,238 --> 01:33:33,959
year so My understand is this is

1852
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:37,520
basically saying that we're not going to

1853
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:40,158
charge for the anybody that's on our

1854
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:42,159
plan any percentage we're paying 100%

1855
01:33:40,158 --> 01:33:44,238
right yes yes that's what this gives us

1856
01:33:42,158 --> 01:33:47,079
the right to do instead of the 8020

1857
01:33:44,238 --> 01:33:50,439
that's the rest of the

1858
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:52,000
world well it's an 8020 plan that yeah

1859
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:55,599
the employee pays the

1860
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:59,679
20% yeah y but instead the Township's

1861
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,679
going to pay the 100% yes

1862
01:34:01,238 --> 01:34:09,359
yes I think we have to move to

1863
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:11,199
um do Section 8 the exemption part is

1864
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:13,079
that what we typically do because we do

1865
01:34:11,198 --> 01:34:15,759
the

1866
01:34:13,079 --> 01:34:18,639
insurance no we do a resolution yeah

1867
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:23,000
it's a resolution number you don't have

1868
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:25,000
to adopt one of these where we just I

1869
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:29,359
think so

1870
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:29,359
just choose it in the resolution

1871
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:36,279
okay so the resolution just says

1872
01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:39,279
section uh

1873
01:34:36,279 --> 01:34:43,319
three well actually says there section

1874
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:47,039
eight I'm section8 number three 3 34 and

1875
01:34:43,319 --> 01:34:47,039
eight or eight right

1876
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:54,960
yes we have to pick one of those options

1877
01:34:51,118 --> 01:34:57,118
right ter okay right so I move to accept

1878
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:02,279
the resolution

1879
01:34:57,118 --> 01:35:02,279
25034 with Section 8 exemption

1880
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:11,039
option I have a second

1881
01:35:07,399 --> 01:35:11,039
support and a roll

1882
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:21,560
call Dean h

1883
01:35:16,679 --> 01:35:25,319
no her Ferguson yes Jennifer Eden yes

1884
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:30,280
Greg KS yes Chris P's absent Sarah

1885
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:30,279
dolman Jersey yes Pam Mo

1886
01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:35,559
yes all

1887
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:41,678
right moving on to number

1888
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:44,960
six

1889
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:46,679
resolution um I would just like to make

1890
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:50,158
a

1891
01:35:46,679 --> 01:35:56,440
uh a short little comment regarding six

1892
01:35:50,158 --> 01:35:58,839
uh 7 8 and N um p and uh and Jennifer

1893
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:02,638
and I have uh

1894
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:06,159
discussed these salaries um multiple

1895
01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:06,159
times and

1896
01:36:06,198 --> 01:36:13,799
uh uh it was uh determined that that the

1897
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:17,480
trustees and the supervisor

1898
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:20,920
um we went back and forth about the cola

1899
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:23,879
the cost of living it felt that it

1900
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:27,000
uh we hadn't been in uh office long

1901
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,159
enough I I argued that it should have

1902
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,880
should be considered for the position

1903
01:36:29,158 --> 01:36:34,079
only and not necessarily the amount of

1904
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:37,719
time

1905
01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:42,479
but I decided to

1906
01:36:37,719 --> 01:36:43,960
just let it go and um not go after the

1907
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:48,039
cola

1908
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:50,960
so if you trustees disagree

1909
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:54,319
then you can discuss that and then as

1910
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:58,198
far as their salary the uh they felt

1911
01:36:54,319 --> 01:37:02,519
they were way below average and so I

1912
01:36:58,198 --> 01:37:05,879
told them to uh to look around find like

1913
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:10,159
townships and uh

1914
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:12,760
justify uh what your salary should be

1915
01:37:10,158 --> 01:37:16,519
and so that's what they

1916
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:17,840
did so just one one comment first um I

1917
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,320
think first before we can do anything

1918
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:24,199
with the clerk we have to look at the

1919
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:26,920
fact that uh last year um she was

1920
01:37:24,198 --> 01:37:32,519
uh we made a resolution to increase her

1921
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:33,960
salary by U up to 60,800 for one year

1922
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,239
and then you're supposed to go back to

1923
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,399
the same as a supervisor and treasure as

1924
01:37:36,238 --> 01:37:40,519
of this

1925
01:37:37,399 --> 01:37:42,839
year so I I I correct me if I Wrong

1926
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:46,880
Chuck we either have to take a vote to

1927
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:50,079
resend this judge this agreement or do

1928
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:53,000
we not how does that work a resolution

1929
01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:55,479
is made each year for everyone's no no

1930
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:58,960
but again this resolution says last year

1931
01:37:55,479 --> 01:38:02,000
we increased years but it'll go back the

1932
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,880
6, 6500 or

1933
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,639
6260 this

1934
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:10,719
year because it was a a election year

1935
01:38:07,639 --> 01:38:13,800
last year so we increased her salary an

1936
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:17,520
extra and I got the the all the document

1937
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:19,760
right here y so we made we voted on that

1938
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:22,960
onee extension but at the end of that

1939
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:25,400
year it was to go back to the same as

1940
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:28,039
the clerk and superv or the treasurer

1941
01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:30,719
supervisor so do we have to act on this

1942
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:32,479
before we can you don't have to act on

1943
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:35,198
that because whatever resolution you

1944
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:37,678
addressed today in effect would resend

1945
01:38:35,198 --> 01:38:39,238
that override we don't have to that's

1946
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:40,920
all I was asking I just want to make

1947
01:38:39,238 --> 01:38:43,879
sure we do it right I and this one

1948
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:45,760
overrides that one right is that

1949
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,239
whatever you do today yeah every year

1950
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,800
you do this so whatever you do the

1951
01:38:47,238 --> 01:38:53,638
current year takes away what you've done

1952
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,639
in the past okay

1953
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,719
all right

1954
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:01,479
so

1955
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:03,679
um I I guess my next question say this

1956
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,598
is all of it and I see that they did

1957
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:07,960
this but all these things they did they

1958
01:39:05,599 --> 01:39:10,920
said salaries do we know what their

1959
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:13,118
their benefit packages in each one of

1960
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,560
these I mean I understand what salaries

1961
01:39:13,118 --> 01:39:16,039
are but I know what my salary is and I

1962
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,920
know what my benefit package is every

1963
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:21,639
Township has uh benefit packages and a

1964
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:23,039
majority of them have 401s as well I'm

1965
01:39:21,639 --> 01:39:25,319
just asking it would have been nice to

1966
01:39:23,039 --> 01:39:27,960
see if they had health insurance 100%

1967
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:30,719
paid if they have a 401 if so we can do

1968
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,920
a true evaluation not saying right wrong

1969
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:33,439
or different I'm not saying should go

1970
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,158
way the other I'm saying if if we're

1971
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,479
going to do an evaluation if you're

1972
01:39:35,158 --> 01:39:41,158
going to do this we should have done the

1973
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,158
package not a salary

1974
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:46,880
alone well I think she did that because

1975
01:39:45,118 --> 01:39:48,759
that was what was in question I I

1976
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,000
understand that but but again then we

1977
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,880
really shouldn't be using this to

1978
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,158
determine salaries because it's not

1979
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:56,880
accurate a salary is just a very small

1980
01:39:54,158 --> 01:40:00,039
portion of system a portion of this is a

1981
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:03,520
salary a burn rate it's your not a burn

1982
01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:05,960
rate Dean this is a salary that's what

1983
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:09,719
the resolution is for our salary this is

1984
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:11,198
not R I'm but this is just a dollar

1985
01:40:09,719 --> 01:40:13,279
amount it doesn't say whether they have

1986
01:40:11,198 --> 01:40:15,198
Blue Cross M Shield 100% paid whe they

1987
01:40:13,279 --> 01:40:17,000
had a for maybe it's worth more I don't

1988
01:40:15,198 --> 01:40:17,839
know because I don't know what else

1989
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,679
they've

1990
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:23,920
got maybe they don't have anything I

1991
01:40:20,679 --> 01:40:23,920
don't know

1992
01:40:24,198 --> 01:40:27,879
so I think basing it just on a number on

1993
01:40:26,198 --> 01:40:29,759
a piece of paper is inaccurate not a

1994
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:33,400
good way to to determine a salary for

1995
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,400
somebody because you

1996
01:40:35,118 --> 01:40:40,839
know again my opinion I think we should

1997
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:45,560
have gotten if we were going to do a

1998
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:45,560
comparison to raise salaries in some

1999
01:40:48,359 --> 01:40:53,920
cases

2000
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,920
10% 11%

2001
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:03,639
I mean that's a I mean I I work for a

2002
01:41:00,198 --> 01:41:03,638
pretty big company I don't get

2003
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:07,960
that now maybe you're worth it maybe

2004
01:41:06,158 --> 01:41:10,000
again maybe maybe it's maybe that is a

2005
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,039
justification because they do have

2006
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,599
everything else and that's their

2007
01:41:11,039 --> 01:41:16,560
salaries but I again I I think if we're

2008
01:41:13,599 --> 01:41:19,039
going to vote on an 11% pay increase we

2009
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,920
need more information than just a you

2010
01:41:19,039 --> 01:41:24,439
know oh they make this so I think I

2011
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:28,920
should make that as just a number so

2012
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:31,919
it's all it's my only point

2013
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:33,920
so and and I think that's a good point

2014
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,920
Dean actually because

2015
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:39,440
if if Pam doesn't want the medical

2016
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:41,920
benefits or I don't want the medical

2017
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:43,319
benefits that saves the township a lot

2018
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,760
of money and if they want to pay more

2019
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:46,279
money I'm I'm fine with that I'm not

2020
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,679
saying we shouldn't give that but I

2021
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:53,399
think we need to understand what we're

2022
01:41:47,679 --> 01:41:53,399
basing it on 100% not just a piece of it

2023
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,000
I mean I would like to get a real

2024
01:42:03,158 --> 01:42:08,679
accurate number you know is it necessary

2025
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:10,279
for us to have to do these today can we

2026
01:42:08,679 --> 01:42:11,800
put these off for two weeks and in two

2027
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,960
weeks we can we can find out what their

2028
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,599
benefit packages are and we can look at

2029
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,198
what we can really what we're saving if

2030
01:42:15,599 --> 01:42:19,400
you don't take insurance and if you

2031
01:42:17,198 --> 01:42:21,079
don't do this and and then we can give

2032
01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:23,319
you I you I don't problem with that and

2033
01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:24,679
I don't think the the residents will but

2034
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:27,118
I think the residents sitting here right

2035
01:42:24,679 --> 01:42:29,279
now are going to look at we're given 11%

2036
01:42:27,118 --> 01:42:32,559
pay increase and and and I wish I could

2037
01:42:29,279 --> 01:42:35,479
get that we have to justify this the

2038
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:37,440
people sitting on that why they get 11%

2039
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,759
and again she's not taking Insurance

2040
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:42,319
maybe she deserves I don't know because

2041
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,239
I don't have the information all I want

2042
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:47,759
is enough information to make a good

2043
01:42:44,238 --> 01:42:47,759
decision for this for the

2044
01:42:48,198 --> 01:42:52,759
community well I do believe that just

2045
01:42:50,679 --> 01:42:53,800
looking at at wages like I said the

2046
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,960
salary

2047
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:59,159
and you look at that and Jennifer and I

2048
01:42:55,960 --> 01:43:01,399
are way below this so when you're just

2049
01:42:59,158 --> 01:43:05,638
looking at that

2050
01:43:01,399 --> 01:43:08,039
um then we have we have an issue with

2051
01:43:05,639 --> 01:43:10,639
that that we are being severely

2052
01:43:08,039 --> 01:43:13,479
underpaid I didn't say that you know

2053
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:15,480
nobody has ever said that I'm not saying

2054
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:18,279
that I'm telling you my opinion right

2055
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:21,598
now is why this is coming up because we

2056
01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:23,960
are drastically underne Maran Township

2057
01:43:21,599 --> 01:43:27,480
here b b

2058
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:30,480
a salary number not a benefit package

2059
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:31,879
well the benefits as I said there's we

2060
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:34,839
don't provide a

2061
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:38,359
401k okay I can tell you they all have

2062
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:40,360
insurance and they all have 401k yes so

2063
01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:42,000
call them and ask them that's all I'm

2064
01:43:40,359 --> 01:43:44,319
asking for time to do that they all get

2065
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,920
it that's all I'm doing the asking for

2066
01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:47,439
time to do that you know personally I

2067
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:50,199
think trustees I don't think we should

2068
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:52,158
make $200 a me I think we should make

2069
01:43:50,198 --> 01:43:54,519
25 I think we should make enough to

2070
01:43:52,158 --> 01:43:58,359
cover our gas back for because we're we

2071
01:43:54,520 --> 01:44:00,360
don't do much we read a packet we try to

2072
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:01,598
investigate we show up when we go home

2073
01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:04,839
we spend a few

2074
01:44:01,599 --> 01:44:07,199
hours to me that's a community service

2075
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:10,039
and I honestly if that was me I'd say

2076
01:44:07,198 --> 01:44:13,238
that's not 205 it should be

2077
01:44:10,039 --> 01:44:13,238
25 per

2078
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:19,719
meeting you know these truste jobs were

2079
01:44:17,599 --> 01:44:21,840
never intended to be a job to make money

2080
01:44:19,719 --> 01:44:23,520
on they were intended to be here to help

2081
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,199
support the community and make sure that

2082
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,880
the community was doing the board doing

2083
01:44:25,198 --> 01:44:29,598
the

2084
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,599
right again my

2085
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:34,920
opinion all right all I'm asking is to

2086
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:37,880
some some honesty and some and some

2087
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:41,639
documentation substantiate some of

2088
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,639
these decisions were

2089
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,560
making

2090
01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:55,920
so let's uh look at

2091
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:59,440
line item number six in the trustees

2092
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,440
salary and

2093
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:08,560
uh looking for a uh a res make a

2094
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:12,119
resolution to establish the 2025 to 2026

2095
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:15,360
trustee salary resolution number

2096
01:45:12,118 --> 01:45:15,359
25035 for

2097
01:45:15,719 --> 01:45:23,319
$258 so

2098
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:26,599
resolved Sarah dolman Jersey yes Christ

2099
01:45:23,319 --> 01:45:31,759
p is absent Herman Ferguson yes Greg

2100
01:45:26,599 --> 01:45:34,760
cards yes Dean hos no Jennifer Eden yes

2101
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,760
pamur

2102
01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:50,359
yes right on to the supervisor

2103
01:45:46,238 --> 01:45:54,439
salary and you had any amount change

2104
01:45:50,359 --> 01:45:58,118
there Greg did you can I

2105
01:45:54,439 --> 01:46:01,000
um just ask there have been a lot of

2106
01:45:58,118 --> 01:46:03,238
questions about retirement and

2107
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,679
commitment to full-time versus not and I

2108
01:46:03,238 --> 01:46:09,079
just want you to have the opportunity to

2109
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:11,599
speak to that and your commitment and

2110
01:46:09,079 --> 01:46:15,198
opportunity on you and I have discussed

2111
01:46:11,599 --> 01:46:18,679
uh that and I have

2112
01:46:15,198 --> 01:46:21,000
repeatedly said during my entire

2113
01:46:18,679 --> 01:46:26,039
campaign

2114
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:29,719
that this job is not a 9 to5 office

2115
01:46:26,039 --> 01:46:29,719
job it is a

2116
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:37,520
247

2117
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:41,639
job you get calls on Friday and Saturday

2118
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:43,599
and Sunday at all times you and I were

2119
01:46:41,639 --> 01:46:47,199
talking this morning at 6:30 in the

2120
01:46:43,599 --> 01:46:49,199
morning was early and we've talked on

2121
01:46:47,198 --> 01:46:54,839
Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays and

2122
01:46:49,198 --> 01:46:54,839
you are one person of 12,000 res

2123
01:46:55,279 --> 01:47:02,319
pres who you going to

2124
01:46:57,599 --> 01:47:06,560
call supervisor he's got all the

2125
01:47:02,319 --> 01:47:06,559
answers I get calls all the

2126
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:15,119
time so I am a little frustrated with

2127
01:47:11,639 --> 01:47:17,440
people questioning my time commitment to

2128
01:47:15,118 --> 01:47:17,439
this

2129
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:23,960
job I spend at least 40 hours a week on

2130
01:47:21,599 --> 01:47:27,000
this job

2131
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:30,840
sometimes more sometimes less but it's

2132
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:33,000
pretty average do I have other business

2133
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:35,760
interests

2134
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:38,599
yes I'm a business

2135
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:42,199
person most

2136
01:47:38,599 --> 01:47:44,360
other Town officials president of the

2137
01:47:42,198 --> 01:47:48,359
United States governor of the state of

2138
01:47:44,359 --> 01:47:51,880
Michigan they have other business

2139
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:55,598
interests so uh I I guess I'm I'm tired

2140
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:58,319
of my my commitment be in

2141
01:47:55,599 --> 01:48:00,520
question in 3 and 1/2 years if you don't

2142
01:47:58,319 --> 01:48:00,519
like

2143
01:48:00,599 --> 01:48:06,599
it vote somebody else

2144
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:10,319
in but I'm committed to this job and I'm

2145
01:48:06,599 --> 01:48:10,319
doing it the best I can you

2146
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:17,159
okay

2147
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:19,119
so um I hope that answers that question

2148
01:48:17,158 --> 01:48:20,158
I on my commitment I wasn't challenging

2149
01:48:19,118 --> 01:48:22,960
you I was just giving you the

2150
01:48:20,158 --> 01:48:26,399
opportunity I well I was seeing that

2151
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:28,920
others because I I I'm if you can't tell

2152
01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:31,799
I'm a little frustrated with it but I I

2153
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,920
have given my time commitment to this

2154
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:36,079
and

2155
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:40,480
um that's all I can tell you am I going

2156
01:48:36,079 --> 01:48:43,399
to be in the office from 9: to 5 no

2157
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:45,238
no it's not that kind of a

2158
01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:47,960
job am I

2159
01:48:45,238 --> 01:48:50,638
reachable

2160
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:53,079
always nobody has ever said I haven't

2161
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:55,920
returned their call and if they do do

2162
01:48:53,079 --> 01:49:00,079
it's because I haven't got it I don't

2163
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,079
know I mean I return everybody's

2164
01:49:02,238 --> 01:49:05,238
call

2165
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:14,598
so can I get a

2166
01:49:12,079 --> 01:49:18,399
resolution I'll make a resolution to

2167
01:49:14,599 --> 01:49:21,199
establish the 2025 2026 supervisor

2168
01:49:18,399 --> 01:49:24,719
salary resolution

2169
01:49:21,198 --> 01:49:24,719
25036 so move

2170
01:49:25,079 --> 01:49:35,599
Dean h no Z Doan Jersey yes Jennifer

2171
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:40,118
Eden yes Herman Ferguson yes Greg KS yes

2172
01:49:35,599 --> 01:49:40,119
Chris Reta is absent Pam moer

2173
01:49:44,599 --> 01:49:51,319
yes all right new business number eight

2174
01:49:48,118 --> 01:49:51,319
the clerks

2175
01:49:55,479 --> 01:50:01,439
so we all have statutory duties um each

2176
01:49:59,118 --> 01:50:04,479
one of us elected officials in addition

2177
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:06,319
to that we have additional duties um

2178
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:10,279
Jennifer and I do and I just wanted to

2179
01:50:06,319 --> 01:50:13,759
do a quick one over of my additional

2180
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:17,118
duties on top of my statutory duties I

2181
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:20,199
do payroll employees board PC and board

2182
01:50:17,118 --> 01:50:22,799
of review tracking that W2's information

2183
01:50:20,198 --> 01:50:25,439
Blue Cross Blue Shield I also do this

2184
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:28,239
special assessment districts as well as

2185
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:30,919
the inquiries which are quite time

2186
01:50:28,238 --> 01:50:33,158
consuming Township liability insurance

2187
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:35,880
management renewal forms including

2188
01:50:33,158 --> 01:50:38,118
benefits claims for HCA accounts

2189
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:39,520
employee health benefits Blue Cross Blue

2190
01:50:38,118 --> 01:50:42,598
Shield

2191
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:45,000
Affleck accident fund workman's comp

2192
01:50:42,599 --> 01:50:48,599
including an annual audit which is time

2193
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:50,319
consuming as well MLA educating myself

2194
01:50:48,599 --> 01:50:53,480
on that and tracking of employees that

2195
01:50:50,319 --> 01:50:56,039
use MLA I do the invoicing for fire runs

2196
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:58,638
I oversee agendas and documents that

2197
01:50:56,039 --> 01:51:01,399
need to be included in that I do the

2198
01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:04,239
annual calendar for meetings compiled

2199
01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:05,920
together for the board the PC the zba I

2200
01:51:04,238 --> 01:51:08,678
also have website

2201
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:11,560
responsibilities training in managing

2202
01:51:08,679 --> 01:51:14,639
payment requests and organizing for any

2203
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:18,079
employees board members as well I'm a

2204
01:51:14,639 --> 01:51:20,239
notary of public I do research for other

2205
01:51:18,078 --> 01:51:22,799
departments including data collection

2206
01:51:20,238 --> 01:51:25,198
for them as well Personnel commit

2207
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:28,360
Jennifer and Greg and I are all on that

2208
01:51:25,198 --> 01:51:31,598
o of office for board PC zba and elected

2209
01:51:28,359 --> 01:51:34,960
officials oversee contracts for sads

2210
01:51:31,599 --> 01:51:37,639
waste waste sads road maintenance lawn

2211
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:40,000
maintenance mail collection and delivery

2212
01:51:37,639 --> 01:51:42,359
to appropriate Apartments packets for

2213
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:45,078
election officials running for

2214
01:51:42,359 --> 01:51:47,039
office so those are just a few of

2215
01:51:45,078 --> 01:51:48,960
additional duties that I have on top of

2216
01:51:47,039 --> 01:51:51,359
my statutory

2217
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:55,279
duties those are all your duties or your

2218
01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:56,759
departments my duties that I perform

2219
01:51:55,279 --> 01:51:59,000
that's just why make clear to the

2220
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:02,480
residents

2221
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:06,238
y I also just want to say that I I don't

2222
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:09,000
feel like all statutory Duties are equal

2223
01:52:06,238 --> 01:52:11,879
so if someone's statutory duty is

2224
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:15,679
collecting taxes or running

2225
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:17,760
elections um they carry significantly

2226
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:20,599
more time and

2227
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:24,520
effort um than working on a team to

2228
01:52:20,599 --> 01:52:24,520
draft a budget with an accountant

2229
01:52:29,118 --> 01:52:33,559
does anybody have any questions for me

2230
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:47,299
nope all right I am

2231
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:48,800
uh looking for a resolution

2232
01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:52,639
[Music]

2233
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:56,039
to establish the Kirk's the clerk's

2234
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:56,039
salary for 2025

2235
01:52:58,078 --> 01:53:05,479
2026 I'll make a motion to

2236
01:53:01,158 --> 01:53:05,479
resolve clerk salary resolution

2237
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:12,719
25307

2238
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:16,639
support roll call her Ferguson yes Greg

2239
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:21,560
KS yes Chris pet is absent Jennifer Eden

2240
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:24,440
yes Dean hos no Sarah dolman Jersey yes

2241
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,440
Pam offler

2242
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:36,960
yes all right number

2243
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:38,479
nine resolution to establish a 2025 2026

2244
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,920
Treasurer

2245
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:45,198
salary

2246
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:48,840
um just like the clerk um Treasurer

2247
01:53:45,198 --> 01:53:51,598
has a list of statutory duties um I'm

2248
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:54,560
not going to this is my above and beyond

2249
01:53:51,599 --> 01:53:56,239
my statutory duties duties that I do

2250
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:59,679
someone would like a copy they can email

2251
01:53:56,238 --> 01:54:02,399
me and I will gladly because of the time

2252
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:04,599
I think we'll just move along um I can

2253
01:54:02,399 --> 01:54:07,198
tell you collecting taxes takes nine

2254
01:54:04,599 --> 01:54:08,480
months um it is not an easy task every

2255
01:54:07,198 --> 01:54:11,479
two weeks I am

2256
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:13,158
statutorily have to give out checks um

2257
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:15,799
to those entities in which we collect

2258
01:54:13,158 --> 01:54:19,000
for um I am also in charge of the onm

2259
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:22,480
billing um I set the rates I collect the

2260
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:25,279
monies um pay the bills or pay make make

2261
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:28,078
sure that those are done um the bonds

2262
01:54:25,279 --> 01:54:29,840
every bond that we have um I make sure

2263
01:54:28,078 --> 01:54:34,319
is

2264
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:38,239
um submitted for payment um I

2265
01:54:34,319 --> 01:54:42,759
track usage

2266
01:54:38,238 --> 01:54:44,959
um the rates on that stuff billing this

2267
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:46,679
taxes is really hard um you have to go

2268
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,960
to this get from the school the

2269
01:54:46,679 --> 01:54:51,199
information on which you have to collect

2270
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:53,039
I mean everything has to be to the penny

2271
01:54:51,198 --> 01:54:55,879
I balance every single a month every

2272
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:58,639
fund to the penny um have never had a

2273
01:54:55,880 --> 01:55:02,039
shortage or an overage um our budget

2274
01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:03,719
speaks to that as well um I do want to

2275
01:55:02,039 --> 01:55:07,000
point out that the salaries that we are

2276
01:55:03,719 --> 01:55:10,800
asking for are no way shape and form um

2277
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:13,158
what the four um close comparison

2278
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:17,119
Harland Township Howell city city of

2279
01:55:13,158 --> 01:55:18,719
Howell Maran Township and Oola um we

2280
01:55:17,118 --> 01:55:20,519
picked these four because they're Monday

2281
01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:23,560
through Thursday which is comparable to

2282
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:26,639
us their population we have 12,000

2283
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:30,599
they're comparable um but

2284
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:33,480
our way no way shape or form is our what

2285
01:55:30,599 --> 01:55:36,880
we're asking even close um I'm asking

2286
01:55:33,479 --> 01:55:38,919
for 60,000 Heartland Township Treasurer

2287
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:43,199
makes $

2288
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:47,078
74,4 Hollow City $71,500

2289
01:55:43,198 --> 01:55:50,039
Maran Township which uh Pam they're

2290
01:55:47,078 --> 01:55:52,719
almost mirrored to us uh they they she

2291
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:55,840
makes 67,68

2292
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:59,760
and Oola um who is only there 3 days a

2293
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:01,520
week Oola is only open 3 days 95 uh she

2294
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:04,159
makes

2295
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:07,040
74924 so just so we're all understanding

2296
01:56:04,158 --> 01:56:09,479
that we are not asking for btim what

2297
01:56:07,039 --> 01:56:12,719
these four townships who are comparable

2298
01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:17,519
just a comparable wage increase to make

2299
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:20,960
us aligned somewhat towards that it's

2300
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:22,920
very um disheartening to Pam and I when

2301
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:26,359
we are

2302
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:31,158
holding hands and helping and

2303
01:56:26,359 --> 01:56:36,158
training um and then at the end of the

2304
01:56:31,158 --> 01:56:40,039
day you know we take peanuts home

2305
01:56:36,158 --> 01:56:40,839
so um we had a conversation with Greg

2306
01:56:40,039 --> 01:56:43,639
and

2307
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:46,159
said we need to rectify this because

2308
01:56:43,639 --> 01:56:49,679
it's not right um we do put in a lot of

2309
01:56:46,158 --> 01:56:51,439
hours we do additionally work weekends

2310
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:55,158
you get paid time and a half no we do

2311
01:56:51,439 --> 01:56:57,158
that over time no no more time none okay

2312
01:56:55,158 --> 01:56:59,479
not a penny our salary is what our

2313
01:56:57,158 --> 01:57:01,879
salary is doesn't matter if I work 80

2314
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:05,118
hours a week or 40

2315
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:08,078
hours that's what it is I I think you

2316
01:57:05,118 --> 01:57:11,439
have to consider if you if you want good

2317
01:57:08,078 --> 01:57:15,840
people if you want to keep good

2318
01:57:11,439 --> 01:57:19,078
people you have to make the pay uh

2319
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:23,480
comparable uh uh we have a lot of good

2320
01:57:19,078 --> 01:57:29,000
people that work in the township hall

2321
01:57:23,479 --> 01:57:32,000
and um uh they could leave and make more

2322
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:34,000
money elsewhere a lot a lot of them but

2323
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:37,800
uh they stay with

2324
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:41,679
us God Knows Why um but uh they stay

2325
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:44,639
with us right right uh I mean uh we have

2326
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:47,960
a great staff that

2327
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:50,880
uh uh really needs to be compensated

2328
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:52,800
better but

2329
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:55,480
uh I

2330
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:57,239
it's value it's value for your dollar

2331
01:57:55,479 --> 01:57:58,158
that's all I can say you get what you

2332
01:57:57,238 --> 01:58:01,319
pay

2333
01:57:58,158 --> 01:58:04,920
for I make a resolution to establish the

2334
01:58:01,319 --> 01:58:06,319
2025 2026 Treasurer salary resolution

2335
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:09,319
number

2336
01:58:06,319 --> 01:58:09,319
25038

2337
01:58:09,479 --> 01:58:17,598
support Greg KS yes her Ferguson yes

2338
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:21,560
Sarah dolman Jersey yes CHR ptis absent

2339
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:24,119
Jennifer Eden yes Dean hus no Pam moer

2340
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,119
yes

2341
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:31,400
all right moving on to uh line item

2342
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:35,559
number 10 the resolution to establish

2343
01:58:31,399 --> 01:58:38,519
meeting dates for 2025

2344
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:42,719
2026 so resolve to establish meeting

2345
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:45,719
dates for 2025 2026 resolution number

2346
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:50,279
25039

2347
01:58:45,719 --> 01:58:52,639
support Chris Peta is absent Jennifer Ed

2348
01:58:50,279 --> 01:58:57,399
yes Sarah dolman jerse

2349
01:58:52,639 --> 01:59:00,960
yes Dean H yes F Ferguson yes GRE cars

2350
01:58:57,399 --> 01:59:00,960
yes Pam hler

2351
01:59:01,118 --> 01:59:10,238
yes line item number 11 runion Lake uh

2352
01:59:05,198 --> 01:59:13,238
request for uh fireworks display

2353
01:59:10,238 --> 01:59:18,118
permit so moved

2354
01:59:13,238 --> 01:59:22,479
support all in favor I I

2355
01:59:18,118 --> 01:59:25,719
oppose motion carries

2356
01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:28,839
uh number 12 request to write off

2357
01:59:25,719 --> 01:59:33,078
uncollectible fire service

2358
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:33,078
charges so moved

2359
01:59:33,719 --> 01:59:39,118
support all in favor I

2360
01:59:39,279 --> 01:59:46,319
oppose all right uh number

2361
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:49,399
13 uh requests by trustee Sarah dman

2362
01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:53,000
Jersey to attend the township

2363
01:59:49,399 --> 01:59:56,598
governance Academy um

2364
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:59,158
Sirah you want to just give the board uh

2365
01:59:56,599 --> 02:00:02,840
I know you've already gotten scholarship

2366
01:59:59,158 --> 02:00:05,799
money and there's a good chance it's not

2367
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:08,199
going to cost us anything but yeah I'll

2368
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:09,760
explain so um the township governance

2369
02:00:08,198 --> 02:00:13,279
Academy is hosted by the Michigan

2370
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:16,119
townships Association and it's um a

2371
02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:19,960
total of 11 classes and 70 credits over

2372
02:00:16,118 --> 02:00:23,198
the course of a year and

2373
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:25,840
um I've already been approved for

2374
02:00:23,198 --> 02:00:27,839
50% of that

2375
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:30,480
expense um through training

2376
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:31,719
certification and accreditation programs

2377
02:00:30,479 --> 02:00:33,359
it's a risk

2378
02:00:31,719 --> 02:00:36,239
reduction

2379
02:00:33,359 --> 02:00:37,439
um it's a risk risk Reduction Program

2380
02:00:36,238 --> 02:00:40,678
for the

2381
02:00:37,439 --> 02:00:42,719
township through our insurance provider

2382
02:00:40,679 --> 02:00:45,239
and I'm also applying for a scholarship

2383
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:49,198
with MTA to cover the remaining

2384
02:00:45,238 --> 02:00:53,279
expenses um and no that's not guaranteed

2385
02:00:49,198 --> 02:00:56,879
so in order to finish the app ation the

2386
02:00:53,279 --> 02:00:58,559
township would have to consider expenses

2387
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:01,359
I guess at this point would be up to

2388
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:05,320
$650 instead of the 1300 because half

2389
02:01:01,359 --> 02:01:06,920
has already been approved um and I also

2390
02:01:05,319 --> 02:01:09,840
just want to say that investing in the

2391
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:11,719
education of new Township officials is

2392
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:13,800
not wasteful spending especially when

2393
02:01:11,719 --> 02:01:16,599
that education comes from an accredited

2394
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:18,520
respected professional program that

2395
02:01:16,599 --> 02:01:21,679
actively Works to reduce the liability

2396
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:23,960
risk for the township um I'll openly

2397
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:26,000
admit I have a lot to learn and I'd like

2398
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:29,599
to learn it from the people that have

2399
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:31,520
been doing this for a very long time so

2400
02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:33,199
if anybody has questions about the

2401
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:35,840
courses involved in that I believe it's

2402
02:01:33,198 --> 02:01:35,839
included in the

2403
02:01:36,039 --> 02:01:44,078
packet so moved

2404
02:01:39,439 --> 02:01:47,479
support all in favor I I

2405
02:01:44,078 --> 02:01:47,479
oppose all right

2406
02:01:50,118 --> 02:01:58,118
Sarah all right uh line item number

2407
02:01:55,118 --> 02:01:58,118
14

2408
02:02:01,319 --> 02:02:08,920
um

2409
02:02:04,078 --> 02:02:08,920
really not happy with this but

2410
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:14,599
uh

2411
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:14,599
Chuck

2412
02:02:16,118 --> 02:02:23,319
um what do you uh what do you feel about

2413
02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:25,039
the Township's chances of uh uh at

2414
02:02:23,319 --> 02:02:30,399
this

2415
02:02:25,039 --> 02:02:34,599
and and uh why are you not representing

2416
02:02:30,399 --> 02:02:37,238
us I think the township has a good

2417
02:02:34,599 --> 02:02:40,159
chance of winning the lawsuit winning

2418
02:02:37,238 --> 02:02:41,078
the lawsuit means that the township can

2419
02:02:40,158 --> 02:02:44,039
go

2420
02:02:41,078 --> 02:02:47,319
forward uh with a public hearing with

2421
02:02:44,039 --> 02:02:50,479
respect to the uh males and Mis fees and

2422
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:52,759
charges that have been

2423
02:02:50,479 --> 02:02:55,638
levied why am I

2424
02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:56,520
not uh going to be involved or shouldn't

2425
02:02:55,639 --> 02:03:00,279
be

2426
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:02,719
involved I've had contact with every one

2427
02:03:00,279 --> 02:03:07,319
of you Board of Trustees

2428
02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:08,920
members um some by phone uh some in just

2429
02:03:07,319 --> 02:03:12,319
passing in in meeting here at the

2430
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:15,679
township hall uh some asking me

2431
02:03:12,319 --> 02:03:19,519
questions um during the course of these

2432
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:21,800
uh board meetings I'm a potential

2433
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:25,880
witness um I'm not saying that I would

2434
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:29,039
will be but um certainly um the township

2435
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:31,719
may want to call me and uh Chris Reta

2436
02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:37,000
would have every right to call me as a

2437
02:03:31,719 --> 02:03:40,039
witness um in the case it would be quite

2438
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:41,880
awkward for the township to have me on a

2439
02:03:40,039 --> 02:03:43,719
witness stand at the same time I'm

2440
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:46,440
trying to represent the

2441
02:03:43,719 --> 02:03:47,639
township so for those that purpose I

2442
02:03:46,439 --> 02:03:48,879
think it's a good idea to have

2443
02:03:47,639 --> 02:03:52,000
independent

2444
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:52,760
councel also and I'm talking long long

2445
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:55,118
run

2446
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:58,119
here no matter what happens in this

2447
02:03:55,118 --> 02:04:01,880
lawsuit I have to work with all of

2448
02:03:58,118 --> 02:04:05,439
you if I am the attorney in this

2449
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:10,440
lawsuit there is liable to be hurt

2450
02:04:05,439 --> 02:04:12,359
feelings a sense that I'm biased and not

2451
02:04:10,439 --> 02:04:14,479
representing all of your

2452
02:04:12,359 --> 02:04:16,359
interests Now understand I don't

2453
02:04:14,479 --> 02:04:19,598
represent your individual interest in

2454
02:04:16,359 --> 02:04:22,118
this case or representing the township I

2455
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:23,840
don't represent any of you individually

2456
02:04:22,118 --> 02:04:27,000
it's the township as a

2457
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:29,360
whole so once this lawsuit is over we

2458
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:32,960
have to carry on and I have to be able

2459
02:04:29,359 --> 02:04:35,118
to communicate with all of you and

2460
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:37,840
answer your

2461
02:04:35,118 --> 02:04:40,279
questions and finally I I would say this

2462
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:42,760
it's it's probably a good idea to have

2463
02:04:40,279 --> 02:04:44,158
somebody that doesn't have relationships

2464
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:48,800
with you

2465
02:04:44,158 --> 02:04:50,960
folks that has no reason to hold back

2466
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:53,520
and tell you what they really think

2467
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:55,078
about the case

2468
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:57,239
so for those reasons I think it's an

2469
02:04:55,078 --> 02:05:00,639
excellent idea that the township have an

2470
02:04:57,238 --> 02:05:04,279
independent Council handle this

2471
02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:04,279
lawsuit agreed all

2472
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:15,199
right all right so I I'll make a motion

2473
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:18,199
to authorize to retain a special councel

2474
02:05:15,198 --> 02:05:18,198
support

2475
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:28,399
all in favor I I I all opposed

2476
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:37,439
no 15 going are are you going to address

2477
02:05:34,679 --> 02:05:40,319
who that independent Council going to

2478
02:05:37,439 --> 02:05:43,118
be what's that are we addressing who the

2479
02:05:40,319 --> 02:05:46,558
independent council is going to

2480
02:05:43,118 --> 02:05:47,880
be uh I don't I've only seen the one

2481
02:05:46,559 --> 02:05:50,119
have

2482
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:52,480
paperwork I like to why why we didn't

2483
02:05:50,118 --> 02:05:54,198
have a board discussion on any of this

2484
02:05:52,479 --> 02:05:57,078
prior to

2485
02:05:54,198 --> 02:05:59,000
this so you you guys have so evidently

2486
02:05:57,078 --> 02:06:02,519
the rest of the board has already talked

2487
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:05,639
about an attorney got a recommendation

2488
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:08,280
and got a letter of

2489
02:06:05,639 --> 02:06:10,880
retainer without a public hearing or

2490
02:06:08,279 --> 02:06:13,198
meeting or discussing with the rest of

2491
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:16,520
us about this lawsuit this was just

2492
02:06:13,198 --> 02:06:17,678
given to 19 I have not seen this just

2493
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:21,239
somebody did

2494
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:23,399
it I just received this today and made

2495
02:06:21,238 --> 02:06:25,198
copy for everyone so we could look so I

2496
02:06:23,399 --> 02:06:26,598
think I think we need to table this and

2497
02:06:25,198 --> 02:06:29,879
set this for another meeting to make it

2498
02:06:26,599 --> 02:06:31,960
have discussion we don't have time about

2499
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:34,800
Turners we can't we don't have time we

2500
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:36,319
don't have time because of because the

2501
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,960
guy that made the mess the guy that

2502
02:06:36,319 --> 02:06:39,198
created the mess now doesn't want to

2503
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:42,719
represent it

2504
02:06:39,198 --> 02:06:45,158
no because Mr Retta asked for an

2505
02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:47,239
expedited case and the court has heard

2506
02:06:45,158 --> 02:06:49,319
that he's had to because you guys want

2507
02:06:47,238 --> 02:06:51,198
to push it through to do this mis fees

2508
02:06:49,319 --> 02:06:53,799
and males in case he's got no choice if

2509
02:06:51,198 --> 02:06:55,439
he wants stop it he had to expedite it

2510
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:57,719
that's fine but that's why there's a

2511
02:06:55,439 --> 02:07:00,719
timeline that's why the decision can't

2512
02:06:57,719 --> 02:07:03,599
be Ted the email was sent out um with

2513
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:06,239
this lawyer's information correct to all

2514
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:07,800
MERS okay so if you didn't get that or

2515
02:07:06,238 --> 02:07:09,759
didn't look at your email I don't have a

2516
02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:12,760
way looking at my

2517
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:15,280
email how do you how are you a board

2518
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:17,039
member if you don't have I don't have a

2519
02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:19,639
computer and I told you I'm not using my

2520
02:07:17,039 --> 02:07:21,960
personal phone for business I I use it

2521
02:07:19,639 --> 02:07:23,880
for other things that it's for my work

2522
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:25,559
it's my work phone I'm not going to do

2523
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:27,239
you know I've asked you to Simply Supply

2524
02:07:25,559 --> 02:07:30,239
a computer in here that I can come in

2525
02:07:27,238 --> 02:07:33,399
and sit down at to get emails we need to

2526
02:07:30,238 --> 02:07:36,839
vote on him since we just AG I think the

2527
02:07:33,399 --> 02:07:39,598
board should vote to retain that lawyer

2528
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:44,840
okay okay so I'll make a motion to

2529
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:47,920
retain um Garin lucal Miller PC um to

2530
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:50,440
represent us as special counsel in the

2531
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:54,480
pending litigation of Chris Retta versus

2532
02:07:50,439 --> 02:07:56,479
Tyrone Township so move support support

2533
02:07:54,479 --> 02:07:58,799
I I'm I'm sorry she made the motion I'll

2534
02:07:56,479 --> 02:08:03,598
support you got double support all in

2535
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:03,599
favor I no those

2536
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:13,359
oppose Craig are you recusing I'm with

2537
02:08:09,359 --> 02:08:15,319
the residents I want this to stop no I'm

2538
02:08:13,359 --> 02:08:17,519
not voting just not voting are you just

2539
02:08:15,319 --> 02:08:20,519
recusing yourself just recusing it y

2540
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:22,840
just I did on the last the one too and

2541
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:25,520
I've done it here to okay I'm with the

2542
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:28,000
residents I I want this to stop I think

2543
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:29,800
this is a waste of time and money we do

2544
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:32,760
but we're in the position we have to

2545
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:35,079
vote on I mean for claim as filed we

2546
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:35,079
have to

2547
02:08:36,118 --> 02:08:42,960
respond okay number 15

2548
02:08:40,439 --> 02:08:44,799
okay uh are we going to do public

2549
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:46,719
remarks before we

2550
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,840
go because we're going to be in Clos

2551
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:50,920
session then come

2552
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:52,840
back I don't know if we're going to be

2553
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:54,158
in close session that long I don't think

2554
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:56,199
we're going to be in closed session very

2555
02:08:54,158 --> 02:08:58,879
long however if the Township Board is

2556
02:08:56,198 --> 02:09:01,158
going to take action after and you

2557
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:04,440
probably want the

2558
02:09:01,158 --> 02:09:07,439
public leave it yeah yeah so we're going

2559
02:09:04,439 --> 02:09:10,839
to leave it as this yeah we

2560
02:09:07,439 --> 02:09:14,439
yeah y so didn't know long we there

2561
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:17,039
so I uh resolved to go into close

2562
02:09:14,439 --> 02:09:19,359
session to discuss a pending litigation

2563
02:09:17,039 --> 02:09:22,158
of the Zach uh

2564
02:09:19,359 --> 02:09:25,598
shifo Cameron mcin vers versus Tyrone

2565
02:09:22,158 --> 02:09:25,598
Township uh

2566
02:09:27,078 --> 02:09:31,479
Lawson I'll

2567
02:09:29,599 --> 02:09:36,239
second Dean

2568
02:09:31,479 --> 02:09:39,879
H yes Herman Ferguson yes Jennifer Eden

2569
02:09:36,238 --> 02:09:44,118
yes Greg CS yes CH Pet's absent Sarah

2570
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:48,118
dolman Jersey yes Pam moer

2571
02:09:44,118 --> 02:09:48,118
yes okay

2572
02:09:57,479 --> 02:10:00,799
I got it

2573
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:17,970
[Music]

2574
02:10:44,010 --> 02:10:47,119
[Music]

2575
02:10:50,039 --> 02:10:53,238
I didn't give

2576
02:10:57,599 --> 02:11:00,599
Wild

2577
02:11:08,220 --> 02:11:14,119
[Music]

2578
02:11:34,409 --> 02:11:37,479
[Music]

2579
02:12:20,439 --> 02:12:23,158
I

2580
02:12:32,679 --> 02:12:35,679
was

2581
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:57,400
just one year

2582
02:13:12,260 --> 02:13:15,329
[Music]

2583
02:13:21,319 --> 02:13:25,000
really those are feeling

2584
02:13:57,198 --> 02:14:00,678
me to

2585
02:14:07,719 --> 02:14:11,719
I okay

2586
02:14:21,279 --> 02:14:24,279
St

2587
02:14:51,198 --> 02:14:54,198
so

2588
02:15:27,399 --> 02:15:30,399
spe

2589
02:16:14,238 --> 02:16:17,238
down

2590
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:28,760
he

2591
02:17:20,558 --> 02:17:27,099
years that

2592
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:27,100
[Music]

2593
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:55,040
that's that's that's

2594
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:50,120
yeah most of the time silmer

2595
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:54,000
do know his

2596
02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:06,040
name only in my 7

2597
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:51,120
my God

2598
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:54,720
God I

2599
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:54,720
is today's day

2600
02:20:25,879 --> 02:20:28,879
know

2601
02:20:29,829 --> 02:20:32,898
[Music]

2602
02:21:03,370 --> 02:21:06,429
[Music]

2603
02:21:10,318 --> 02:21:14,159
one of Bren

2604
02:21:17,229 --> 02:21:20,378
[Music]

2605
02:21:33,318 --> 02:21:36,318
first

2606
02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:53,879
so

2607
02:22:43,329 --> 02:22:46,379
[Music]

2608
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:54,160
um

2609
02:22:51,159 --> 02:22:54,159
were

2610
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:01,489
[Music]

2611
02:23:17,409 --> 02:23:24,860
[Music]

2612
02:23:29,340 --> 02:23:32,379
[Music]

2613
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:54,129
got

2614
02:23:51,010 --> 02:23:54,129
[Music]

2615
02:23:59,149 --> 02:24:02,289
[Music]

2616
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:21,040
write WR down

2617
02:24:41,559 --> 02:24:44,680
[Music]

2618
02:24:44,719 --> 02:24:47,719
that's

2619
02:25:08,209 --> 02:25:11,359
[Music]

2620
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:23,639
was now

2621
02:26:01,318 --> 02:26:04,318
be

2622
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:31,420
[Music]

2623
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:42,329
[Music]

2624
02:26:47,649 --> 02:26:53,318
[Music]

2625
02:26:49,239 --> 02:26:53,318
think so

2626
02:27:21,279 --> 02:27:24,279
I

2627
02:27:53,899 --> 02:27:56,978
[Music]

2628
02:28:18,639 --> 02:28:21,639
sorry

2629
02:28:24,879 --> 02:28:30,158
[Music]

2630
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:38,040
Mak

2631
02:29:00,719 --> 02:29:05,539
start

2632
02:29:02,459 --> 02:29:05,539
[Music]

2633
02:29:17,790 --> 02:29:20,859
[Music]

2634
02:29:26,270 --> 02:29:29,429
[Music]

2635
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:32,600
your

2636
02:29:50,159 --> 02:29:53,159
right

2637
02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:19,939
[Music]

2638
02:30:49,639 --> 02:30:54,058
just

2639
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:54,058
[Music]

2640
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:10,728
[Music]

2641
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:21,920
Wy

2642
02:31:34,040 --> 02:31:36,240
what's

2643
02:31:36,478 --> 02:31:41,079
that as soon as we get

2644
02:31:44,639 --> 02:31:49,199
her going to work on

2645
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:53,159
transition time we're always waiting on

2646
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:55,720
her come on come on come on back to the

2647
02:31:53,159 --> 02:31:58,510
party come

2648
02:31:55,719 --> 02:31:59,559
on Mr Mr

2649
02:31:58,510 --> 02:32:01,478
[Music]

2650
02:31:59,559 --> 02:32:04,278
social

2651
02:32:01,478 --> 02:32:06,119
sorry come

2652
02:32:04,279 --> 02:32:09,399
on

2653
02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:12,279
okay Jo is to the right all right we're

2654
02:32:09,398 --> 02:32:15,639
going to go back into uh

2655
02:32:12,279 --> 02:32:17,439
session and uh we need a motion to go

2656
02:32:15,639 --> 02:32:21,119
back into the session

2657
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:23,318
y support

2658
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:23,319
all

2659
02:32:24,318 --> 02:32:34,439
in all in favor I oppose

2660
02:32:30,559 --> 02:32:37,239
okay moving on to miscellaneous business

2661
02:32:34,439 --> 02:32:37,239
do we have any of

2662
02:32:37,439 --> 02:32:44,600
that and then uh I guess we'll go right

2663
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:48,060
into the final public uh public remarks

2664
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:51,120
yes Scott

2665
02:32:48,059 --> 02:32:51,119
[Music]

2666
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:55,720
I'm going to bring this up Scott I'm

2667
02:32:53,959 --> 02:32:58,278
going to bring this up again because

2668
02:32:55,719 --> 02:33:00,239
it's been all over the all

2669
02:32:58,279 --> 02:33:05,279
over social

2670
02:33:00,239 --> 02:33:08,680
media all right now if I can remember

2671
02:33:05,279 --> 02:33:10,279
right we had pay increases were stalled

2672
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:13,120
during covid

2673
02:33:10,279 --> 02:33:16,359
right I think they were pay pay I think

2674
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:18,479
we the raises were installed anyways so

2675
02:33:16,359 --> 02:33:19,800
we're the people I'm just asking for

2676
02:33:18,478 --> 02:33:23,318
there's people out there asking question

2677
02:33:19,799 --> 02:33:26,079
questions online um and I've asked them

2678
02:33:23,318 --> 02:33:28,359
before it's a lot of increase I agree

2679
02:33:26,079 --> 02:33:31,600
with Dean I work for a multi-billion

2680
02:33:28,359 --> 02:33:33,279
dollar company my contract was 3 four

2681
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:36,800
now they're like fiveyear contracts

2682
02:33:33,279 --> 02:33:39,000
maybe up to 6 7 8 9% over that term when

2683
02:33:36,799 --> 02:33:41,639
you see people are saying well I see

2684
02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:43,398
this great big raise every year after

2685
02:33:41,639 --> 02:33:46,879
year after year well they're questioning

2686
02:33:43,398 --> 02:33:51,478
that and I I do too it's such a big race

2687
02:33:46,879 --> 02:33:53,398
for one year okay and Dean right salary

2688
02:33:51,478 --> 02:33:59,318
and benefit should be included so we see

2689
02:33:53,398 --> 02:34:00,799
the total cost per per person okay so

2690
02:33:59,318 --> 02:34:02,519
because if I didn't say anything

2691
02:34:00,799 --> 02:34:04,519
otherwise I'd be called a hypocrite

2692
02:34:02,520 --> 02:34:07,800
because I have questioned that before

2693
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:09,439
all right so now on getting back to the

2694
02:34:07,799 --> 02:34:12,799
people that work here and how many we

2695
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:14,920
got um do we have too many or do we have

2696
02:34:12,799 --> 02:34:17,039
enough and that's questions come up

2697
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:18,639
before and I think I've talked to Sarah

2698
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:20,359
and a couple other people here that

2699
02:34:18,639 --> 02:34:22,398
maybe we need an outside firm here to

2700
02:34:20,359 --> 02:34:24,520
come in and look and see if we got cuz

2701
02:34:22,398 --> 02:34:26,920
why know we're training extra people

2702
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:28,239
some of maybe we got too many people get

2703
02:34:26,920 --> 02:34:29,559
the training get them done let's get

2704
02:34:28,239 --> 02:34:31,398
down to the number of people we need to

2705
02:34:29,559 --> 02:34:34,079
do and I'm not just saying this I'm

2706
02:34:31,398 --> 02:34:35,719
asking for the people out there that are

2707
02:34:34,079 --> 02:34:37,639
out there in la la land that are afraid

2708
02:34:35,719 --> 02:34:38,920
to come here and ask the questions okay

2709
02:34:37,639 --> 02:34:40,840
now I'm getting back to you Greg I'm not

2710
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:43,520
trying to pick on you but you are

2711
02:34:40,840 --> 02:34:46,000
responsible for Department departments

2712
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:49,120
here and if you're not

2713
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:50,478
here it falls on everybody else in the

2714
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,600
office

2715
02:34:50,478 --> 02:34:56,639
okay and when you're home getting phone

2716
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:59,279
calls from Sarah Herman me or anybody on

2717
02:34:56,639 --> 02:35:01,199
the agenda I don't I don't think you

2718
02:34:59,279 --> 02:35:04,120
should be thinking that's you're on the

2719
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:06,560
dime for the taxpayers because I ran for

2720
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:10,200
trustee and I would be more than happy

2721
02:35:06,559 --> 02:35:12,959
to run for trustee and not get paid a

2722
02:35:10,200 --> 02:35:16,159
die okay because you know what I care

2723
02:35:12,959 --> 02:35:18,519
about my community okay that's what I

2724
02:35:16,159 --> 02:35:19,799
care about back in the see old building

2725
02:35:18,520 --> 02:35:21,479
over there they used to get together

2726
02:35:19,799 --> 02:35:23,959
there every reading and nobody got paid

2727
02:35:21,478 --> 02:35:26,679
crap but I do understand we got to pay

2728
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:29,599
people so people got a right to ask the

2729
02:35:26,680 --> 02:35:32,318
questions and I agree with Dean on the

2730
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:34,200
um all the itemized stuff I'd like to

2731
02:35:32,318 --> 02:35:36,079
see it myself because I am not a genius

2732
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:38,040
when it comes to math so I like to see

2733
02:35:36,079 --> 02:35:39,159
stuff spelled out so I do agree with

2734
02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:42,319
Dean

2735
02:35:39,159 --> 02:35:42,318
on all

2736
02:35:44,760 --> 02:35:48,760
right sure

2737
02:35:50,239 --> 02:35:56,520
I'm basically saying the same thing that

2738
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:57,920
he said it's not that I don't think yall

2739
02:35:56,520 --> 02:36:00,680
are worth the money that you're being

2740
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:04,120
paid it it's not that it's the point

2741
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:07,040
that what other business do you say I'm

2742
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:10,920
going to give myself an 18% raise this

2743
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:14,040
year and it's not even discussed with

2744
02:36:10,920 --> 02:36:18,760
the people that hire you and we're the

2745
02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:22,359
ones that hire you and to ask for an 18%

2746
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:24,680
raise and then the next year a 6% raise

2747
02:36:22,359 --> 02:36:28,040
most people in this room would love to

2748
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:32,200
get a 4% raise anymore I mean I'm a

2749
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:35,680
nurse and I don't get an 18% raise I

2750
02:36:32,200 --> 02:36:38,279
don't get a 4% raise a year so I guess

2751
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:42,279
when you're asking for 18% you're asking

2752
02:36:38,279 --> 02:36:45,720
for 6% 24% over 2 years is a lot of

2753
02:36:42,279 --> 02:36:49,000
money whether and you know I guess most

2754
02:36:45,719 --> 02:36:51,239
companies if you need to get brought up

2755
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:52,920
it would be incremental okay over the

2756
02:36:51,239 --> 02:36:57,439
next four years we're going to give you

2757
02:36:52,920 --> 02:37:01,520
a 3% this year a 3% next year a 3% so in

2758
02:36:57,439 --> 02:37:03,200
just one year to get an 18% 6% it's a

2759
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:06,399
lot of

2760
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:06,399
money thank

2761
02:37:13,799 --> 02:37:18,559
you sure Jim

2762
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:26,160
I don't uh you know the whole race thing

2763
02:37:24,359 --> 02:37:29,040
I have no idea I mean I believe a

2764
02:37:26,159 --> 02:37:32,879
workman's worth is higher no more no

2765
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:34,560
less I do jobs for people I don't charge

2766
02:37:32,879 --> 02:37:36,438
them extra I don't charge them less I

2767
02:37:34,559 --> 02:37:38,959
need to be paid fair I believe you all

2768
02:37:36,439 --> 02:37:41,040
should be paid fair but I agree with my

2769
02:37:38,959 --> 02:37:43,959
man over here these are public service

2770
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:46,560
jobs they're not careers I feel like if

2771
02:37:43,959 --> 02:37:48,839
someone comes in here looking for a

2772
02:37:46,559 --> 02:37:50,398
career they're off on the wrong foot to

2773
02:37:48,840 --> 02:37:53,000
begin with

2774
02:37:50,398 --> 02:37:55,159
um if I were sitting up there I would be

2775
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:57,639
my my interest is living or Tyrone

2776
02:37:55,159 --> 02:38:01,719
Township not me making a

2777
02:37:57,639 --> 02:38:04,079
living and you know I don't expect you

2778
02:38:01,719 --> 02:38:05,840
to quit your side hustles whatever you

2779
02:38:04,079 --> 02:38:09,079
want to call it I hope you are all

2780
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:10,960
successful business people I do because

2781
02:38:09,079 --> 02:38:13,559
you've proven you're successful that

2782
02:38:10,959 --> 02:38:15,159
carries over to here and I don't expect

2783
02:38:13,559 --> 02:38:17,039
you to live on Lake Shannon on 50 Grand

2784
02:38:15,159 --> 02:38:19,799
a year that's on I think that's stupid

2785
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:23,319
to expect so yeah you get paid for your

2786
02:38:19,799 --> 02:38:25,719
time I expect that you should but as far

2787
02:38:23,318 --> 02:38:28,359
as the rest of this mess

2788
02:38:25,719 --> 02:38:30,358
man these censures and stuff you guys

2789
02:38:28,359 --> 02:38:34,760
just went in that room talked about

2790
02:38:30,359 --> 02:38:36,640
whatever I'm asking you for this

2791
02:38:34,760 --> 02:38:41,239
Township get

2792
02:38:36,639 --> 02:38:44,879
together work it out don't drag all this

2793
02:38:41,239 --> 02:38:48,879
through lawsuits wasting everyone's time

2794
02:38:44,879 --> 02:38:51,079
and money here work it up maybe someone

2795
02:38:48,879 --> 02:38:53,159
did something wrong I mean I heard you

2796
02:38:51,079 --> 02:38:55,359
you said yes I worded that letter wrong

2797
02:38:53,159 --> 02:38:57,799
you acknowledge that great we all make

2798
02:38:55,359 --> 02:38:59,600
mistakes I do too I don't want to be

2799
02:38:57,799 --> 02:39:00,599
censured every time I make a mistake

2800
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:03,720
when I'm

2801
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:05,760
working and I think it was Major

2802
02:39:03,719 --> 02:39:08,760
Overkill to do

2803
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:10,559
that I don't even understand because I

2804
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:14,000
do believe like the attorney that sat

2805
02:39:10,559 --> 02:39:16,760
here said it's in that letter he wrote

2806
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:19,478
was done in good faith I look at a

2807
02:39:16,760 --> 02:39:21,559
person's intent and if your intent was

2808
02:39:19,478 --> 02:39:24,119
to cause Planning Commission people to

2809
02:39:21,559 --> 02:39:26,600
show up to their meetings I'm with you

2810
02:39:24,120 --> 02:39:31,079
100% your intent was good maybe you

2811
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:33,880
worded it wrong whatever but I expect

2812
02:39:31,079 --> 02:39:38,079
you guys to be able to work it out

2813
02:39:33,879 --> 02:39:39,559
amongst yourselves in a room and say

2814
02:39:38,079 --> 02:39:40,559
what can we do for the betterment of

2815
02:39:39,559 --> 02:39:43,559
this

2816
02:39:40,559 --> 02:39:45,840
Township not our own interests that's

2817
02:39:43,559 --> 02:39:47,799
what I expect you to do I don't expect

2818
02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:51,239
to see a lawsuit

2819
02:39:47,799 --> 02:39:52,639
here if you guys can't settle that I

2820
02:39:51,239 --> 02:39:53,879
don't have a whole lot of confidence in

2821
02:39:52,639 --> 02:39:55,680
you working out any problems in the

2822
02:39:53,879 --> 02:39:57,478
township you can't even work out

2823
02:39:55,680 --> 02:40:00,159
something amongst

2824
02:39:57,478 --> 02:40:04,199
yourselves but I I will

2825
02:40:00,159 --> 02:40:06,279
say like I said my son he's a Township

2826
02:40:04,200 --> 02:40:07,960
supervisor he makes 50 something

2827
02:40:06,279 --> 02:40:10,520
thousand a years the township is twice

2828
02:40:07,959 --> 02:40:12,318
the size of this one they have a police

2829
02:40:10,520 --> 02:40:15,279
department they have a fire department

2830
02:40:12,318 --> 02:40:16,398
which we don't have I asked him today I

2831
02:40:15,279 --> 02:40:18,479
called him I said dude I don't know

2832
02:40:16,398 --> 02:40:20,239
anything about this stuff I said how

2833
02:40:18,478 --> 02:40:21,000
much does your Clerk

2834
02:40:20,239 --> 02:40:22,920
uh

2835
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:24,719
treasure 50

2836
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:26,398
something, I said oh I find it

2837
02:40:24,719 --> 02:40:27,559
interesting your Township didn't get

2838
02:40:26,398 --> 02:40:30,840
listed as a

2839
02:40:27,559 --> 02:40:33,398
con it seems a little one-sided to pick

2840
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:34,880
the townships that serve your purpose

2841
02:40:33,398 --> 02:40:37,959
because his is twice the size they got

2842
02:40:34,879 --> 02:40:40,039
way more going on and he also leaves the

2843
02:40:37,959 --> 02:40:42,799
township at night and does his night job

2844
02:40:40,040 --> 02:40:44,439
I got to cut you off Jim I'm yeah I like

2845
02:40:42,799 --> 02:40:47,478
what you're saying I'm asking you guys

2846
02:40:44,439 --> 02:40:48,840
to get together as adults and don't drag

2847
02:40:47,478 --> 02:40:53,959
all these people's time and money

2848
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:53,960
through I I expect that thank

2849
02:41:00,079 --> 02:41:05,760
you anyone

2850
02:41:02,760 --> 02:41:05,760
else

2851
02:41:09,478 --> 02:41:15,318
yeah Deana Cipher Walnut Shores I just

2852
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:17,680
want to say

2853
02:41:15,318 --> 02:41:19,920
that the clerk and the treasurer

2854
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:21,800
positions they knew what the salaries

2855
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:24,879
were when they ran for the

2856
02:41:21,799 --> 02:41:27,358
jobs um and I think the comparisons that

2857
02:41:24,879 --> 02:41:30,199
you did were somewhat on the

2858
02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:32,479
unprofessional side you didn't you you

2859
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:35,479
took a salary number you didn't show

2860
02:41:32,478 --> 02:41:37,840
anybody what the benefit packages were

2861
02:41:35,478 --> 02:41:39,799
your comparisons didn't include what

2862
02:41:37,840 --> 02:41:41,719
those benefit packages might be for

2863
02:41:39,799 --> 02:41:44,079
those other townships and what those

2864
02:41:41,719 --> 02:41:47,159
clerks and treasurers were making I

2865
02:41:44,079 --> 02:41:49,920
think you you picked numbers that worked

2866
02:41:47,159 --> 02:41:52,799
for the case that you were making and I

2867
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:56,239
think it's it's kind of embarrassing to

2868
02:41:52,799 --> 02:41:59,438
the township that you pick what you want

2869
02:41:56,239 --> 02:42:01,760
your raise to be which is way in excess

2870
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:04,120
of what most people get on an annual

2871
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:05,439
basis for a raise and then you get to

2872
02:42:04,120 --> 02:42:08,800
vote for it

2873
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:11,479
yourselves I I just something really

2874
02:42:08,799 --> 02:42:13,318
rubs me wrong about that and it is kind

2875
02:42:11,478 --> 02:42:16,278
of embarrassing

2876
02:42:13,318 --> 02:42:20,478
so

2877
02:42:16,279 --> 02:42:20,479
thanks thank you

2878
02:42:22,639 --> 02:42:25,039
anybody

2879
02:42:28,279 --> 02:42:35,680
else all right and I

2880
02:42:32,279 --> 02:42:38,120
am looking for a mo motion to

2881
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:43,680
adjourn so move

2882
02:42:38,120 --> 02:42:43,680
support all in favor I I all

2883
02:42:43,799 --> 02:42:48,039
right all right

2884
02:43:08,359 --> 02:43:15,479
yeah thank you Terry for keeping us

2885
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:15,478
Terry can sh

2886
02:43:16,110 --> 02:43:19,309
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2887
02:43:19,478 --> 02:43:22,478
TR

2888
02:43:22,549 --> 02:43:25,689
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2889
02:43:28,479 --> 02:43:31,548
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