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has lost three ATS it's lost three
atoms and uh well according to your
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absolutely soon as Herman gets up here
and Parks his little
book well uh
I see no Crunch bars out here no candy
up
here I got a rum
cake
sh we're ready we're ready all right
well uh we'll call the all meeting to
order and start with the Pledge of
Allegiance
please I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands one
nation under God indivisible with liy
and justice for
all we we've determined our atomic clock
has lost three atoms so I'm not sure we
tried to reset it but it's 3 minutes
slow all right uh roll call please Greg
KS here Dean hos here Jennifer Eden here
Herman Ferguson here Chris Retta absent
Sarah Dolan Jersey here P
here okay uh moving right into the
public hearing um going to get those
slid SES going um I was I've been told
that the previous supervisor um did this
normally a meeting uh prior to the
budget
uh approval but um I wasn't ready for it
at the last meeting so I'm going to do
that presentation
now uh budgeting Basics uh obviously the
township is legally required to adopt
this Budget prior to April
1st uh the township holds a public
hearing before the budget is adopted in
March of each year that's
this budgets legally adopted on a
departmental basis in other words the
treasurer and the clerk and myself we
get with our accounting firm and we go
through this line by line we've done
this multiple times uh the last month I
think three times we've
and uh revised made minor revisions each
time the budget is uh monitored on a
monthly basis by
us and it is just that a budget and so
things happen where we have to amend it
throughout the year to ensure there's no
overspending by each
department the budgeting process is
basically done on History uh we take the
previous years we uh look at what uh was
budgeted and what was spent and we make
those adjustments on a line by line
item uh we determine the needs the
future needs of what we see are going to
happen in the upcoming
year and we evaluate the current
spending what we're currently uh
spending on the township
stop me if there's any
questions okay now into the meet uh the
major events uh of
2425 we uh we had the sale of the
264 Reus to the Livingston County
Department of uh Public Works which we
have guests today from
there and uh this resulted in the
reduction of our sewer debt
and allowed for a $59 Bill reduction to
our residents per annual quarter in
other words almost $240 a year uh
savings for
them we have uh White Lake Road uh
resurfacing uh a vast fault that was
done from old 23 to Bennett Lake mayy
Hill gravel resurfacing Germany to whole
forth we uh resealed and and strip the
uh parking
lot uh had Oldtown uh repairs included
new electrical new insulation a new roof
and new hva
system it's to be noted that we have had
a budget surplus ever since
2010 hats
off on to to the assumptions of what's
coming up uh pay off the 2003 sewer Bond
early we have Karma Road um going to be
resurfaced White Lake to Heartland Road
and we have Heartland road to be
resurfaced from Karma road to Center
Road we also have faucet Road it's going
to have uh some new gravel resurfacing
from ran to
Heartland and
faucet Road Again from Heartland road to
Mabley Hill and then we're still uh
getting the uh firewell head put in
place at alcoy and uh Fenton
Road for uh the uh fire
department there's a note there's a
little um there's a road Heartland road
is going to be asphalted from White Lake
Road to Center not
Karma uh it goes all the way through
from White oh yeah yeah yeah okay so
sorry so I missed a chunk two miles yeah
two miles I missed a chunk yep whoops
Greg is this the time you want that I
should talk about the townhouse or would
that you
later the right
time we can I
mean do it later tooo I'm just I wasn't
sure when do it later okay
okay okay on the uh on the
millage uh this is where your money goes
to the schools um I know there's been
some question about the
M uh means it's how we're Livingston
County but two of our school districts
are in Gennesse County and that is why
some of the some of the millage funds go
to m
so and then you got your general
fund basically a a breakdown
of of each department and uh where our
money
is is
budgeted and then the last one is a uh
is a pie of the uh the general fund
revenues and I need to
let you know that the
green is an estimate because that can go
up and down depending on what the state
wants to give
us any
questions many well other expenditures
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on that P that's a pretty big other
expenditures
$280,000 that we just put in a general
fund that we don't account for we have
no line item for we just which one are
you looking at show me the general fund
expenditures 25 26 other expenditures
$278,400
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or something no no you got it 1
2 I mean I I don't know about the rest
of the residence but I'd sure like to
know where that
$280,000 17 there are 17 other items
listed on
here um we don't we can't single out
everything so other can be utilities it
can be bonds M to because we got on the
back here we got Park safety we got
liquor law enforc we got Jane hill
lighting Walnut Street
lighting part of the 78,000 that is
revenue I'm just fund Revenue transfers
out I can barely read this so bear with
me so um expenditures you have Township
board supervisor so the same things that
are listed
on um page prior to it all other funds
budgeted okay so then what's transferred
up 500,000 so it's transfer out that is
the what we are over budget or not over
budget um under budget so we can move
that to the 400,000 to roads and 100,000
for the building fund well how can we
break it out that way then why don't we
tell our why don't we tell our residents
what we're spending this money I mean I
don't you know I mean I'm I'm just a
simple person you know and I've sat on
small boards before but you know even on
running Lake we're required to our line
item things budgeted stuff okay do you
really think we only have 18 items we
spend money on no I'm sure we don't okay
but you're tell us we can't take the
time to put together a budget that we
can give to these people out here that
they can understand and know where the
money's going that's all I'm
asking the biggest ones is what we have
listed on here so Township board
supervisor Department Clerk's Department
Treasures department treasur is and
Clerk's department is everything as a
whole in this building building like
treasury is my Deputy my um cashier
myself and everything that takes to run
our department I.E everything it takes
to run taxes and I can see asking I can
see it says treasure okay okay I
understand and that's the treasury
Department that's your department and
what you're going to spend and what you
think to budget then the next one is
border review and assessing I'm not
worried about that I'm worried about
500,000 I'm tell whatever you don't see
outlined here like um what we paid for
the Old Town Hall to be re redone this
year um that is part of that anything
you do not see outlined here that
includes everything else that's and
that's 278,000 that isn't a lot in the
in the scheme of things that's every
other thing that you don't see a line
item almost a million dollars is not
that much it's a lot of money to me a
million dollar
500 and 2 300 is 800,000
so Jennifer I'm only worried about these
two big chunks over here that are almost
50% of our expenditures transer out is
not what we paid it's what we moved out
of the general fund 400,000 to the road
fund 100,000
to then why isn't it broke out 100,000
to Road fund 300,000 to I mean I'm can
you show him on here
I was going to ask on the green bar
where it says unallocated is that list
of items
relevant page quite honestly I'd like a
couple more weeks to look at this so and
understand it I mean I've had three days
to look at this entire budget and you're
asking me to vote on it tonight and I
don't think that's fair to us I think
you need to give us a couple weeks so we
can actually look and maybe I would
understand if I had a time to go through
this document so for the budget that's
all out last week he already has the
green bark we already handed it I got it
Thursday of last week I work Thursday
and Friday I have a job full-time job so
I had Saturday and Sunday and part of
yesterday I talk to try to review this
so did you call us with any questions
and ask us what each of those things are
i' sat down mostly yesterday this this
is what I did yesterday when I got home
from work you guys are gone already by
the time I get home from work okay I'm
explaining I'm I would like some time
look at this the transfer out is the
$400 or $400,000
that goes into the road fund that's just
transferring out of the general fund to
the road funds and 100,000 went to the
building fund okay so it's quick
question funds budgeted um public
Improvement Road 400,000 expenses a
million 678 th000 used fund balance is
that the fund balance where's that at
the fund balance is on your treasuries
report that you get every month that
tells you every outline budget where
where's that in here is what I'm
wondering that isn't part of the
budget our monthly fund balance is in
report that you receive every
month so we must have one heck of a fund
balance because the sewers over by 99 or
9
151,000 uh the public road Improvement
7678 th000
um that was just the two big ones Public
Works sewer o andm is over by
209,000 that comes up to over a million
dollars that we're just going to pull
out of this used fund
balance each of those have their own but
there but it says Revenue versus expense
right we're not taking in what it's
costing us so we're taking the
difference which is min are you going to
let her of these app apprentices right
okay all of these that you're looking at
all other budgets these are
all special um funds not part of the um
general fund so all your road
improvements when people want a sad to
do their roads that's a separate fund
none of these are Township monies the
special
funds okay those revenues are coming in
on the left side that's what their sad
is this year that's what's actually
coming in that we're collecting on their
taxes and expenses that's every bill or
bond that we have to pay this coming
here so all other funds is not our money
no none of this is our money the these
are all dedicated
funds from who from the taxpayers that's
all these special Road funds and while
right away funds is I understand
taxpayers money but it's not
ours I'm trying to understand understand
the special assessment districts and how
they work right that's what where the
misunderstanding is no
right yeah so these are not funds that
can be allocated in any other direction
they're solely so look in the so the
bottom one Public Works sewer ow and out
that's revenues that I'm anticipating
collecting 657 th000 and we're going to
pay out 867,000
okay and we have have the 209,000 that
is you said it's not our money on the
negative in the funds in the fund right
this fund where where's the balance of
the fund so I can do that in the
treasures report it was in last it's not
in any of this budget report no it's not
part of the budget okay your fund
balance is it would be nice if you put
that sheet in there so we when we see
something like this where it says use
fund balance just a sheet for us to look
at this says here's the fund balance so
we can associate something I I'm
assuming because it's in here in our
budget that it's got it's part of our
budget that's the only thing assumption
I can make if you read our board packets
that we get uh two weeks ago that
document was in there every month
there's a treasurers report and it tells
you every single fund and every single
dollar that's in those funds and I
assume that was part of our budget why
would I
not a budget is what we're planning on
bringing in this year and we're
expending not what your fund we're
taking in 657 th000 for sewer we're
spending 867 that is
correct so then your negative number
that you see it's telling you we're
using the Surplus from the funds is
covering that other 200 but none of this
is part of our budget so it really
shouldn't even be in this this it's part
of the budget it's
not your fund totals your balances are
not part of your budget
a budget is what you plan to spend and
what you're planning on
receiving right that's what we're doing
I understand that so and my point is I I
don't care what what this is if we're
planning on spending more than we're
we're taking in the money comes from
somewhere and these people have a right
to know where it's your fund balance and
they need they have a rights know well
but then they need to know what that
where that is did they get the packet
every two weeks with that money well
they look online yes anybody can get
it's it's available to the public but
they don't know
that well I don't know how else you
would like me would you like me to email
it to everybody I don't know but I mean
that's that's just I mean again give
give me two weeks to look at this
instead of three two days you're you're
entitled to not pass it if you don't
want to be I mean I I get it okay I get
it you guys move on because you got your
four votes you're going to do what you
want so go ahead and move
on all right
um are there any other questions
regarding the
budget all right so moving on to
approval for the agenda
please so move support all in favor I I
oppos
no public he you have to you have to
close the public hearing I'm sorry and
then sorry I did I'll close the public
hearing okay we got the time okay now
I'll look for approval for the agenda so
moved
support
no you have to have public comments I
don't see any public it's not on my list
okay public comments
no public comments oh there we go it has
to be to be just on the budget yeah it
can only be on the budget
correct not sure if I'm understanding
correctly but his argument is exactly
why I came in here today um so I looked
at these graphs and whatnot I see the
same
thing I
see we're we're spending this much money
but we're only taking in this much money
and it says to use
Surplus blah blah blah whatever pretty
bigue words where does that money come
from he has good questions in the fund
okay the fund in the fund where do the
fund come
from you got this fund he's saying
people need to know where's this fund
coming I know where it's coming from
it's coming from extra money I heard you
say we have had a surplus for the since
2010 right you know how I take that
every person in this room's been over
taxed since 2010 you're building a big
fat bank account on my dime and
applauding yourself for taking your
extra money you took from me to pay for
what you ain't got to pay for this year
I can't roll that way and I tell you
what just like he
said I'm a builder I do jobs for
people I have on my phone I have every
receipt that I spend on their material
cuz people get sticker shot so I show
them you want to see every line excuse
me sir can you state your name and your
address Jim Lon it's okay yeah I know so
I show them just like he said what's so
hard it's not I do it every day you you
think I didn't spend this much money I I
get it people rip people up I could
charge someone
$2,000 take $11,000 spend it on another
job so I have to be able to show no
here's what I spent every line item it
ain't hard to do I see a whole lot of
vagueness up here stuff's not explained
my son is a Township
supervisor Township twice this size I
sent him all this stuff today I said
what's your opinion you know what he
said in Michigan either somebody don't
know what they're doing or somebody's
being shady I said what do you mean he
said it's so vague he said we send out a
thir 30 page
document explaining where's this money
coming from where's it going so I asked
you where's this fund come from you
didn't answer me I'd like to know this
this magical fund that we
have are you guys building a big fat
bank account on taxes that we shouldn't
have had to pay before well I'd like an
answer I think it's pretty easy to
answer explain it to and I take no
answer as an answer I appreciate your
questions I do and people can battle you
but some people just don't want to face
the
truth so where's the fund come
from the magic fund we
have I
think like I said I take
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so I'm make an
appoint hey Jim yeah we can't comment
but you can make an appointment you can
make an
appointment I will but she was she was
responding to me you can't pick and
choose when you respond well she chose
to respond and then she wants to shut up
later yeah that's chicken
CRA you can't pick
oh I tell
you
that's Scott Dietrich White Lake Road
general fund is used we get the money in
fact we just paid back money to the
general fund from the
sewer so she couldn't tell you that
right now go in and talk to her if you
guys come to meetings more often you'll
know what's going on with your money
amen um okay no I'm not I'm trying to
explain to you hey hey hey hey I'm
trying to explain to you I cuz I've come
to meetings a surplus all right you got
a surplus we do every Township has a
surplus where's it come from it come it
comes from all the taxes and everything
else what do you think
they you want me to answer you want me
to answer hey hey hey all right I'm not
sticking up for him I'm just trying to
explain Scott all right just so we got
extra money coming back from the general
fund helped out the sewer fund okay
that's coming back in the general fund
money goes to help pay pave the
roads people don't realize that when we
pave the county puts up 50% we put up
the other 50% unless we want to put up a
millage to pave these
roads I don't know if you guys
understood that but I don't know
everything I'm just telling you what I
know okay I'm not sticking up I'm trying
to just say the general fund is good
they got extra money we put it in the
general fund okay we used the general
fund for years to help with the sewer I
didn't want the sewer they put the sewer
in many years ago okay so we had to keep
borrowing from this general fund to help
pay for the sewer okay now the sewer is
paying us back so we got tons of money
in the general fund and that's going to
go to fix the roads so I mean I'm not
trying to pick sides I'm just just one
what I understand
okay I don't want to pay any more taxes
I'd like to get rid of the darn uh M
Community College one that's one
don't any any other
comments yeah Kurt Schultz from Silver
Lake Estates number
two um I guess I'm wondering if uh I
could speak in regards to new business
number seven no no just this is hearing
only about the budget this is only on
the budget correct okay but this is part
of the budget
though doesn't the budget also
include
the funds that go to each person here
yes so ask your question
okay oh I'm sorry did have we done any
type of
study in regards
to what people should be
paid
vely no do not answer no we've done a
wage comparison the clerks in linston
County do a wage um study each year and
each cerk goes through fills out what
everybody in their um office is making
and that's where all of this that I
pulled is it's all accurate up today
it's the 25 to 26 okay year that's what
I was asking yes thank
you any other
comments de on MCM Circle when he was
talking about the salaries I guess my
question is are those salaries compared
because I know three other areas that
are about the same size as Tyrone
Township they don't make anything near
what y'all make so I guess when I'm
asking where these comparisons are done
are they done with like
townships yes these are Maran is 100%
spoton population revenues and expenses
the same as Tyrone Township and what
about other townships besides just Maran
and they're all in the board packet here
the ones that are highlighted in yellow
we'll see on our screens are all
comparable but Maran is the one that is
very much now are y'all full-time
employees part-time employees we're
fulltime fulltime full-time employees
fulltime not the trustees not the
trustees right and do you have a certain
degree to take on the treasure
position or a certain degree to take on
the clerk's position what do you mean I
mean like the treasurer do they have a
degree in
finance or they basically just pencil
pushers Well's that required to have any
degree for any elected position that's
what I'm asking right so you don't have
any kind of degree for that type of
position that you hold so anyone could
sign up for that position well you you
do have to as for me for elections you
have to be accredited through the state
of Michigan you have to do training each
year in order to do that do I have
degrees yes I have degrees are they in
clerks no there is no clerk degree okay
um in that in Treasure is there a
finance degree that you need or just no
no no okay anybody there's a plethora of
training we send Jennifer G to training
every year she's gotten certified as
well as her Deputy clerk the same thing
I'm in the process of that and my Deputy
clerk is in training all the time as
well through and do yall get benefits on
top of the
salary is that included in your salary
not for me I don't take benefits from
the township I have no health insurance
or benefits through the township okay
and do
other people do we pay for their
benefits through the township yes so
that's on top of their salaries yes okay
thank you you're welcome
any other
comments all right I will close public
hearing public
comments and uh look for approval of the
agenda or any changes sove
support all in favor I I
yeah
no okay uh moving on to the approval of
a the consent agenda
um we looks at the regular the board
meeting minutes February 18th all in
favor and the clerk wer and the clerk's
Warren spills are we good do we have a
question on that uhuh I already have an
answer
there some
moved
support all in favor I I I
oppose okay that motion
carries
Communications Planning Commission
approved meeting minutes Planning
Commission meeting synopsis Livingston
County Sheriff report
and the attorney invoices
December 2024 and January
2025 any questions or
comments I'd like to discuss the
attorney invoices you can see they were
in the clerk's warrants and bills and
they've also been
provided in the
communications so we have several that
were for foster and Swift that were not
approved by the board
those they're included in the packet
that were um
from Mr KS and um Mr those those are
mine no it says right here on the
invoice phone conference with Mr H for
Foya request as well as yourself and
then the others for yours so it totals
$852 for foster and Swift and that was
unauthorized
charges um so with that being said I'd
like to make a motion that legal fees
must have prior authorization from the
board you're meaning it we go outside of
our legal council right yes okay yes
when we do have contract so as legal
agent for the
township I can't just go out and get a
second opinion I need approval from
everyone to get a second
yes is that correct CH well there's two
issues can you seek advice from outside
councel the answer is yes however to pay
that councel you need board
approval
okay
okay yep that's my motion all right I
second
motion all right well I will will say
they were Foster Swift was uh was very
careful with uh with not stepping on
your toes Chuck they they were very
professional
so so we have a motion that was
seconded all in favor I I all oppos no
all
right any other
uh any other questions and communication
comments so I got a question you um on
attorney charges did we get charged for
the preparation of the cental
letter yes we did and we got how did you
get board approval without since I was
never we have we have a contract with
him he's our general counsel we already
have board approval to use his services
in
consultation it's when you go outside
that approved Council so we can call him
anytime we
want all set do we have to approve
Communications yes we do I'm looking for
a motion to approve Communications so
moved support all in favor I
oppose all right and now here is public
remarks agenda on agenda items only
correct we didn't get that par
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parenthesis any public public comments
on the
agenda all right I
will that pardon I got one all
right on the salaries I know over the
years
Scott everybody's been complaining about
the
salaries and I you know I I kind of did
too and I i' like we always talked about
um may be bringing someone in more or
less just do we have too many people in
working here or don't we have enough I
mean I I I I I'm not qualified to make
that judgment okay so all I know is we
have raises and we see other townships
so I'm not I don't want to bicker too
much if we're lying with Marion but I
want to ask you something
Greg I I know you I don't know if you've
retired yet okay I don't know if you're
taking calls in the office for your
business or if you're doing business
trips out of the office here
um I do know in the paperwork that was
filed that we had a call for Hogan Road
for the
sewage 50 minutes went by and you're the
emergency contact and you never answered
the phone Jennifer had to take the call
okay 50 minutes that's almost an hour
okay I don't know what's going on in the
office but if these girls are picking up
the slack I mean it everybody in the
office is picking up a slack because you
know you got a little side hustle fine I
I I I elected you to be
full-time all right and that's all I ask
all right it wouldn't be right for
anybody else in this office to have a
side hustle people that work here or
anybody else or any other officers I'd
be on them so I mean it wouldn't be
respectable for the taxpayer so if
you're still working your
job I I I can't justify 50 something
thousand a year if you're working two
jobs out of this office and if you're
leaving this office and you're
accounting for the time so I think
everybody should be held accountable
everybody in this office so thank
you anybody
else all right we will close public
remarks and do we have any unfinished
business
all right we'll move on to uh new
business uh business item number one NYY
Road sewer break and Odor Control update
we have uh Brian and Frank from the
DPW welcome guys good evening thank
you can we get can we get Frank and
chair I can stand
thank you thank you Frank always kneels
in my
presence that's
netive no that wouldn't work anyway um
uh yeah my name is Brian jonier you know
Frank uh irban with my office I
appreciate the invite um I uh I was
going to spend a few minutes I know the
questions are on the the break I'm going
to let him speak to that but I know
there's a lot of people who who haven't
been involved for very long on the sewer
and I just wanted to give a brief
overview to everybody kind of how the
how it works from a thousand foot up um
the system we began discussions back in
the late 90s and um uh at that point we
had a system on White Lake Road that
that uh served the people of renan lake
and so they had made back ' 70s or ' 80s
um had made the decision that they want
to protect their Lake it was put in um
through the drain code through our
office although that long predates me so
late '90s we were starting to see some
problems with the system and so we began
that process of going through the state
to uh try to put in a new system we had
an area for replacement that was already
intended for a new system and that's
when the township got in touch with us
and said hey can we look into other
possibilities because we have areas
along Old 23 for a commercial and some
other areas we'd like to consider um and
so there were a number of things they
looked at the you know a separate plant
um and then we also looked at uh with
jese County to do something there and so
based on those discussions the township
decided they wanted to move forward with
um kind of a broader project to take
care of their needs as well so
um I think that came online
2006 uh is when the Tyrone um portion of
the system came online in that time
Harland Township had issues with
groundwater contamination and so they
came on to the process as well and so
overall the way this works is jenese
County um so all the ways from Harland
Tyrone is is transmitted up along the
us23 corridor we have a system of about
24 separate pump stations that takes the
waste into jenese County where it's
treated at The District 3 plant in Lyon
um and so those operations the treatment
uh we through both townships built
capacity into their system at that time
and we utilize that for treatment of the
waste from Livingston County so we get a
bill from Gennesse County we take that
along with our operations since uh since
my office operates the system in both
townships and we combine our operations
and based on flow on on the gallonage
each Township is build um is build
monthly for uh those operations for the
sum total we receive payments back from
the
township we repay jese County and then
any of our expenses are are uh uh are
pay back through our sanitary fund from
the funds received from the townships so
um with that the operations I mentioned
the 24 pump stations but we have uh over
2,000 uh grinder pumps as well serving
individual homes so there's quite a few
pumps in the system um and emergency
responses are something that we do on a
weekly basis so as an example
2024 we had some
450 plus or minus callouts over the
course of the Year 175 of which were
after hours or weekends and and that
type of thing um so it's a regular
respons and usually that something was
somebody's grinder pump what we saw on
nyi something quite a bit bigger where
actually one of the main the force Mains
developed a leak in it and um and as
soon as that was reported to us um then
we immediately respond and start
shutting down pump stations so we can
get that flow to stop so when we are
contacted about an emergency and so it
um it could be uh it could be you know
somebody thinks they saw Wastewater or
there's Wastewater running down the road
or we get calls about uh
algae um uh flooding it may be uh
sometimes there's backups in home homes
um and then that adds to our the rest of
our operations in our office which are
dams we maintain nearly a dozen dams
throughout the county and all of our uh
storm water drainage systems so any of
those those are all monitored and they
immediately go through a chain through
my staff and it notifies one and if
there's not immediate response it goes
to the next person and uh and so for and
and forward um so this is how the pro
the process
uh uh works and I know you know there's
a there's a lot of discussion on cost
obviously um some of the bigger things
this this uh NYY Road um NYY Hogan Road
um issue this is one of three that I
think I can remember in the last several
years that were Big Ticket items you
know six figures um some of them were
were quite a bit bigger and um and so we
have Reserve funds for that um we have
uh also as part of our operations we've
identified that was a spice thank you
thank you very
much somebody's looking out for me um
but anyway uh um all of our Assets in
this system are identified all of them
all the pumps all the components in
there and our rates and and through that
process we look at it and we give it a
risk assessment we look at the probable
lifespan and the um you know the
consequence of its failure everything is
given priorities and the lifespan is
figured in the cost for replacement so
it's it's really quite unique CU because
it's really I mean this is common in
Utility Systems but all the major
components in our system and their
replacement is built in to our rate
structure and that is why if we have a
large repair to do um that we don't have
to come back and and and raise rates and
if you'll notice so the last three major
breaks have totaled nearly a million
dollars um one of them being an
extraordinarily large
expense and um we're in our third year
now where we have not raised rates at
all we anticipate that'll go at least
another year and that's all because of
the predictive work that we do up front
so at a pup station if there's a pump in
there that's cost
$50,000 to replace we our rates already
include a schedule for its maintenance
and replacement and so that's all done
with the intent with two intents when
something fails uh that we are ready for
it we have a replacement we've
identified the risk we can replace it
immediately and we don't have a loss of
service to the people um on the system
um but um so that that is really
important that that we have that because
obviously when um we don't like it when
the power goes out but we also don't
like it when you can't flush or use your
plumbing and that's the reason why um
all of that is a assessed up front and
uh and then we also have reserves for
the things that that break we don't that
we might not anticipate so I wanted to
kind of explain kind of the hierarchy
there from Gennesse County on down and
in general how um our our operations
funds work in addition we have an
Advisory Board which is very important
includes both townships and the county
um and Jennifer is uh very involved in
that the the Township is involved in our
operations there are a lot of times
where you might hear something um well
before we do um and vice versa and that
input that we have on a monthly basis is
critically important also our budget
setting it requires a process whereby we
have to submit proposed budget Advisory
Board and then each Township so um and
be happy to sit down with any and all of
you at a later date to go in more detail
but there's quite a process to it and
it's generally worked really well and we
certainly appreciate the Township's
participation in there because it is uh
critical for our operation and you guys
are very much involved in it so with
that I'm going to I actually I have been
going to the last three yes uh in fact
we got one this Thursday so really good
uh good group yeah great having you too
so welcome guys
anytime all right
so uh as far as the main break goes it's
a pretty detailed outline uh we did
maintain contact throughout the event uh
between the township Health Department
newspapers stuff um one of the big
things with it is that in answer to
Scott's comment you got my right phone
number now
Frank yes I do I do I got I got all of
them yeah yeah we had a little phone tag
going on there and that's it so it falls
underneath uh act 451 from Ina part 31
of that uh it's listed in the packet as
well and it gives you the outline it's
within 24 hours um our our operators in
the field you're there to you know
isolate contain it start getting
repaired as soon as possible uh through
State you know statue and everything we
have 24 hours to make all the rest of
the calls um without digging too far
down into it the one thing I wanted to
hit on uh was staff did an excellent job
and responding to this we had it back up
and going very quickly uh the total cost
on this here for for fixing everything
which we had to take and replace about
143 section of pipe as well was
$143,600 another thing they the
residents need to know is your your a
lot of that is cast correct we have a
good portion of ductal iron piping in
the ground yes and it's all most of
you're replacing it with uh hdp so that
way we're not which will last well pass
our lifetimes thank you so some it take
it for GR yes sir we we actually to your
point there uh we did have a a
contractor that was working for M do hit
our 15inch gravity B down on M59 a
couple years back so yeah you are
correct on that one sir um we try to do
the best that we can with it we try to
keep it as cheap as possible but puty
things in that last uh the te that's
there that is something that we'll
actually be talking about this Thursday
at our board meeting uh for some changes
to that you have two it's a pressure
main you have two pump stations pumping
against each other it's not it's not a
good design so we're we're looking at
making some changes there otherwise uh
specifically to the brake you're looking
at replacing the T with maybe a y or
something to reduce the yes do a y from
the center Mills Pump Station yeah and
then bringing it up in from the south or
from River Oaks coming in doing a y into
the into the pump station and then
coming in from the south and and H the
other way correct that way we can have
it too segregated and if you're working
on one line you ever done this see in
there you're not doing multiple pump
stations um
so we have that coming up otherwise I
said it's as far as when it comes to to
brakes this one here as you can see in
the pictures um it it it wasn't a full
line break uh there's multiple areas
that were small corrosion issue versus a
break correct correct we've had we've
had sections of pipe uh that we found
and we're going through a process right
now of trying to identify them all and
test them you have one test that you can
do to try to check the Integrity called
Ed current test challenge with that is
you're doing a poth hole and if you blow
that pipe if it's too thin you have an
emergency another one's acoustic testing
uh where we'll run a acoustic device
down through the pipe looking for
corrosion looking for gas Pockets so on
and so forth that one there is $75,000
to get the folks on well yeah 50,000 to
get them on site and another $7,500 a
mile after that the first getting them
on site and the first 50,000 does two
miles so just for a point of reference
you have 5.2 miles between Clyde Road
and NYY
uh so that would be a very expensive way
of doing it um obviously we want to be
good stewards of our residents money so
we're looking at the most cost effective
way of of being
proactive ask a question on that that
you're talking about internal viewing of
the pipe similar correct okay so do they
give you any type of an idea of what the
the risk is based on the year the bik of
them fracturing when you do that so on
this one here it's not like it's not
like running a pig through like a gas
man or nothing like that with this one
here does it's a small ball and you're
able to put it in through like a check
valve or something that way it's in the
Pip's in service while you're doing it
it's not doing any Tye of loading of
like a camera or nothing like that so
it's it's very minimal impact to the
system when you do it that way and it'll
give you a rough estimate so and it just
it doesn't clean it just measure just
just measures looks for corrosion looks
for gas Pockets so on your duct tile how
how how accurate can that be if they've
got build up on the inside of it what
are the ISS
with that they come into you know what
I'm saying CU I looked at the last pipe
and it it was supposed to be this and it
was this so they're putting a ball
through what size ball and what's the
chances of you know of because of the
the the buildup in there creating
pressure so the the balls that they
utilize are are very small it varies on
size of the pipe uh floats down in there
through the pipe um there's a lot of
pressure on those
pipes uh you know and the pressure
remains so you can't just take it out of
service there's not redundancy within
this system as far as we're being to
hold for 12 hours or 15 hours we don't
have that um as far as for any type of
buildup like that that was the first
area that I've seen significant buildup
and I think that has a lot to do with it
and the two opposing pump stations um
you know fighting each other so
otherwise you know that section there we
want to do right now uh there's a couple
other areas that we could do that we're
kind of weighing out all the options and
looking at the best course of action if
you did like a ground penetrating radar
system you're just seeing the pipe
you're not really getting Integrity any
current test
um most your high spots is where you're
going to find gas build up uh those
there a little bit more intrusive you do
a hydro escavation to a pothole and and
send it through and so it's kind of that
was my next question you do dig tests
and pipe evaluation based on outside
surface and Hammer Ping On the duct tile
yeah so the the the issue with that
though is like if you look on I think
it's page three on this year actually uh
page
five um
the uh one
more right there upper left hand corner
that was during Hydro Excavation and
that pipe there that was between the T
and The Collector manhole that pipe was
so thin that when we're doing the hydro
escavation is blowing the pipe so that
is a challenge with doing that type of
test you know so there's a risk it's a
risk or reward and and it's a balancing
act to it answer your question there the
AC two sck array um as it goes um and
I'm not sure what type of beam that he
uses um but it will measure the
thickness of the wall and it'll tell us
where when there's air pockets or where
um there's thinness in that pipe as it
goes so it does kind of a full x-ray of
the system as it goes through it there
is one that does that but not this one
that one there you need to have you need
to have a different type of way of
loading it in almost like a Peg and
trying to do that on a system that is in
surface uh it's not going to work out
well and we don't have enough time to
really hold flow at all the stations to
do it
but it somehow identifies areas of
Interest where we may have that's where
you do it ID current so um that's the
the the you know the short version quick
version as far as the break goes um you
know we had Mr wood that came by he
asked a question I do try to pay
attention to your board meetings as well
and stay you know in contact with
everyone as much as possible knowing
what's going on being responsive to
their calls questions what have you um
so with that is is there any questions
from the board regarding the brake
itself any additional is the clean up
and completed correct it's all done
correct yes so that one there we you
know we contact the health department uh
we mitigate it as much as possible we
suck it up as much as possible uh if
there's debris on the field or on the
ground you pick up the debris this one
here has almost went through a screen so
there wasn't any debris that was was
there uh suck up as much of the sewage
as possible um and then from there if
it's summertime or something like that
you can put like a line down to raise
and didn't K off anything other than
that UV takes care of any you know
additional
stuff so um in regards to the Odor
Control uh there's a few residents in
the area that I keep in contact with at
least once a month or so sometimes maybe
a month and a half I'll call and check
in with them or email and check in with
them uh see how it's going uh we've
tried chemicals we've tried carbon we've
tried uh introducing irration systems
here we've tried to do wood ship beds
cover wood ship beds wood ship beds with
a carbon polishing element on it trying
to find the cheapest uh and most
effective way doing it the H2S at that
area averages 250 parts per million and
it Peaks up at times at 625 parts per
million uh the Loa so like what people
can normally smell at is 01 parts per
million on H2S so you're going to pick
it up very quickly uh the system that we
put in place uh we vetted had engineers
that we were in discussion with
different consultants and found that
this one here would be the best course
of action both for mitigation and with
uh the overall cost of operation and
maintenance over time um car if we did
like a carbon vessel the cost on carbon
would have been well over half a million
dollars more over the 20-y year andm uh
this one here uh comes down a lot more
um with that though it does
99.9% of the H2S that it's that's reach
being a biological in carbon there's
going to be Peaks uh I I want to make
sure that I hit hard on that it is a
mitigation uh Odor Control is something
that especially when it comes to sewers
uh you can drive by any plant in America
or anywhere else and you're you're going
to not ever you're going to find times
where you're going to smell something is
it possible build a building around it
that you could try to cleanse the air as
before ex you small steel structure that
we could put around it closed in enclose
it put filtration system on that to help
you know cuz I I've worked in that area
in the summertime and it it some days it
gets it gets bad so this one here we we
installed it in November we had an issue
with the biological culture on it that
died off we had to get that restarted uh
then there were some challenges on
Logistics with getting carbon BR in uh
from out of state for that unit uh
there's a performance test coming up
this summer on it I told him I wanted to
hold off on that to make sure it's fully
meeting the performance guarantee with
that system in addition to that um I
reached out to to a third party uh odor
consultant all they do is do order
control studies across the whole state
they don't represent any product uh so
what they do is they come out they look
at it they see if there's any other
Technologies out there or anything else
they could do differently or add to it
uh some of the things that we could
possibly do here would be uh maybe some
Upstream additives or something like
that to it uh and talking to the the
residents and then before I came here
tonight I drove by there as well um it's
definitely improved from years past by
lot um I did get a faint odor right
outside of of of the uh fence on the
west side of the the site but otherwise
it's doing really well um so we're going
to look at having someone else come out
there and look at additional options the
thing with building another structure
around it is is the cost maintenance of
that structure as well as you still
having to do additional abatement from
the structure uh and then when it comes
to any type of Maintenance with pulling
pumps or anything out of that location
it has to be a large enough structure or
removable roof to be able to actually
get in there and pull pull it out system
yep so that would add additional cost
for maintenance and stuff as well so
we're looking at all the options um and
we're going to keep doing everything we
can to mitigate it as best best possible
and constantly stay rest of new
technologies so really this summer we'll
probably tell us whether this
carbon is at so this summer we'll get a
good hint summer is always a little bit
different as your hum changes
temperature changes you're going to get
different levels um but yeah this summer
we we'll get to see more
um and then I have it ready to go for
for this week's uh packet with the BPW
as well to discuss more on on that third
party to come in after the performance
testing as well depending on that okay
so we're constantly trying to stay on it
talk to the Presidents we let them know
if you smell something you're not there
you know they live there and we're
trying to do our best to ensure that
it's
mitigated I have a quick question
fullest
um I drive the corridor from Heartland
to Grand Blink several times a week and
I'm just wondering if there's something
about this particular location that
makes it particularly challenging
because I don't catch those smells
anywhere else um so what is it about
that environment or that system that you
believe to be the problem so there's a
lot of different things I mean the the
problem is the elevated H to us there's
many different things that can can
happen there uh one it's a high point in
the
system um you know you have that uh the
wind direction is going to play a role
in it um humidity everything else you
know it's trying to really pinpoint
what's causing it you know the known
that we have is that there's high
concentrations of HS location it's a
high point so it's really trying to
further mitigate elsewhere as it's
coming in um it's one of our main pump
stations and it's close to Residence um
that that makes it very very challenging
to mitigate it okay the other thing is
any you know usually you don't see long
transit times in terms of miles um with
sanitary and whenever you have waste
water in an enclosed pipe um you know a
force M what happens is the bacteria in
there will liberate that sulfur and so
it's not a problem until it comes out
into that pump station and so we dealt
with it um down in Heartland at Collide
roow um it's been a problem on and off
but anytime you're transferring
Wastewater um a large distance where it
goes anerobic there's no Oxygen um and
so we Tred different things like you try
to give them nitrates uh which
apparently Tes better to bacteria for
them to go after um so they'll leave the
sulfur alone we've tried that tried a
whole bunch of other things um killing
them off that that type of thing um so
that's actually probably one of the
single biggest issues is that long
Transit time in pipe no oxygen and
typically sewer systems aren't as spread
out kind of wish when they designed it
somebody would have brought that up at
the time um but weing the hard way are
all 20 you said 24 stations along that
Corridor and those are all original to
when the system was put in or do they
get
Pally added all the Tyrone systems are
new those put in in the 2000s some of
the Harland ones were um initially
constructed by our office in the early
actually late 80s I think first sewers
went in there um so some of those are
older systems but basically once you get
north of heart those are all
new and there's no feasible way to move
that away from residents probably and
forgive me for not knowing your
infrastructure well
yeah well you know there's always a way
you know and it's just the cost and you
know I think at this point you know if
this doesn't work which we think we can
we can get it to work um but there then
I think we've got to talk about
something extraordinary because those
residents um they certainly haven't
deserved to have dealt with that for the
years that they have yeah and so we
finally said you know we're just gonna
we're going to be Consulting in there
and we'll spend what it needs to do
because um you know times they give up
things you know doing things in their
yards and that's certainly not fair um
we weren't there first either so we have
a responsibility to resolve this you
know so that may be a discussion we
don't think it is um we think we're get
and continuing to look at things
um you know there's always you know
something can upset it so looking at
additional safety factors factors to
help prevent that something we're
looking at now even though seems to be
working pretty good right now thank you
yeah it would be a multi-million dollar
project I believe you um so another
thing you mentioned talked earlier about
Upstream additives you talked about
oxygen uh one of thing you can do is add
oxygen into the system as well you have
to be careful with that where you're
adding it you don't want cavitation you
know different things like that with
your pumps uh with getting air in there
um but there are stuff like that that
that we can do it you can look at EPA
guidelines on odor batement and such and
they have that as one of the recommended
areas as well or Technologies available
uh but it's definitely one of those
things that everyone struggles with when
it comes to sewer is is is odor
abatement yeah thank you so thank you
guys
great all right
see if you have any questions though
feel free to give me a
call whatever you see you guys Thursday
sir thank
you all
right
uh item number two
a question um sure I should have noticed
so but isn't that kind of like out of
order because we have resolutions for
salaries unless you got everybody's
already predetermined that those
salaries are going to be the salaries
wouldn't that affect the
budget I mean shouldn't we have done the
salaries before we did accepted the
budget because the salaries are part of
the budget
correct just got I mean I I I didn't
really wasn't looking that closely but I
I was looking unless unless everybody's
already decided that's the salary and
that's what they're voting on um which
which scary without a discussion it
would affect the it would affect the
budget if we change it
correct but it is a budget and it does
get changed I mean so I mean your point
yeah we should I think I apologize for
not notic probably should have been the
other way I don't know I
I do want to point out so the resolution
to adopt the budget by totals if you
look at the resolution your question is
answered there so look at the resolution
you're can you get to that
page right there yep okay so you're
unallocated your fund excuse me can you
guys be quiet thank
you um Department 272 unallocated the
17,000 391 thank you
if you add that to the department 277
which is our insurance bonds and fringes
the
26958 there is your on your scale if
your salaries are part of your your
budget for your for the treasury
Department right your salary is part of
it right so if we change that it changes
what your budget is up down doesn't
matter and again as long as we all
understand that we may accept this
budget but it's not we may immediately
change it right the resolution sents out
right which yeah I understand kind of
seems backwards to me but
okay so who question was
that we'll talk to so anyway so those
two those two line items equal that um
other expenditures that you were asking
about just so you
know we we can give that to Jim right he
was the other gentleman that was asking
which two Jennifer unallocated they
unallocated the
17391 and the um Department 277
insurance bonds and fringes of 260
that's your other expenses or those two
other things everything else is on there
again your transfers out are the 400,000
that we transfer from the
um budget or to from the general fund to
the road fund and then 100 ,000 went to
the building fund and that's for so the
transfer out was 400 for what was it
again roads roads and 100 for for um
building fund okay and then the other
expenditures were the uh
unallocated number 272 for
177,000 get to your resolution yeah yeah
I'm trying to go backwards
now with your little Pike tur well and
also can I point out this is what I was
talking about with the green bar so the
unallocated if you're looking for a list
of expenses Dean page eight of this
green bar document which is on the
website it shows the budget by
department so so the green green chart
wasn't in the packet it no it's it's on
the website on the website but if you
write down page eight there's a whole
list here of unallocated expenses that
tells which are what what um office
supplies address sign expense excess
copies telephone expense internet
communications postage postage meter
charges passport postage expense server
pre and email annual maintenance
document shredding computer software
annual maintenance Printing and
Publishing equipment repairs and
maintenance copy or
lease um there's a miscellaneous of
$800 and that's it so all that comes up
to the 278 34 that comes out to the
17,000 the 17 I wasn't worried about the
17 and then it gets added to the next
section right underneath it also page
eight and on to just page eight sorry
that is the insurance bonds INF fringes
and that's the rest of it yeah insurance
bonds infringes are 260,000
that's your
difference so really wouldn't have been
hard to put that in the pie chart then
there's only four things
basically two two of them came up to the
500,000 that were out transferred out
and the others were the the were a
couple three things it would have been
pretty easy to to break that pie chart
so that at least the residents would
have known where 800,000 cuz I think
it's it's important for them to over
that 800,000 W not just generally it's
out there and yeah we're going to you
know take your work for it we're not
ripping you off you know what Casey put
that together right we can we can do
that Dean that that is not and that's
all I was asking FR it's just a little
bit more explanation of so that you know
it's I'm a I'm not I'm not a finance guy
you know I dig ditches for
you know so you know it's to me I I I
like things explained to me where I can
I can make sense of do and again I two
weeks I probably could have figured that
out if I looked at all of it but I
didn't have two weeks I had two
days and we have been through it three
times with Casey so we took we made some
assumptions yeah and that's what I'm
saying you guys do it all the time you
look at it every day it makes complete
sense to you but like I say to the ditch
diggers over here I'm
confused I got a
not
okay so resolution um we need a motion
to
uh to accept the budget as uh as
proposed before we do that can I jump in
about the townhouse because that still
has not been
discussed and that's part of our please
dodg yes yes
um
so the Historical Society um has been
working on the historic townhouse
project this is year three and should be
the final phase of that
project um we put together a
budget as to what we plan to do to
finish that project this spring includes
um items such as exterior paint and
siding repairs a new rear door an ADA
accessible ramp uh brick walkway
installation finish details and paint
for the front porch new handicap parking
lines on the existing lot final
Landscaping signage and designation as a
Historic Landmark application and marker
if that's approved by the state
um the Historical Society plans to spend
the rest of their townhouse fund which
is up to
$110,000 and has also applied for an
additional $5,000 Grant to contribute to
those expenses an estimated additional
30,000 will be needed to complete the
project and that is reflected in um that
green bar drafted budget so um also the
one thing that's different this year is
that the his last year when um both the
township in the Historical Society
partnered on this project the township
paid what they agreed to pay first and
then the Historical Society um picked up
the tab thereafter and we made those
dollars go as far as we could and so
this year that's going to be the
opposite the historical society is going
to pay what they have left in that
account first um because donations and
Grant funds that were donated to the
Historical Society have been set aside
for that purpose and so um when people
make a donation to a specific project
we're responsible for making sure that
those dollars go toward that project so
given that's a Final Phase the
Historical Society has agreed that
they're going to spend their dollars
first before anything then gets sent to
the
township so I don't know if anybody on
the board has questions about that but
no where we're at I think that's So the
plan so we're saying you get you the to
they need an additional 30,000 to finish
it okay and is that in the budget uh
it's where's where's that at just so we
I'm going to ask somebody say I had to
ask because there was a question last
time whe it was a $10,000 was supposed
to been spent and nobody could find it
in the budget we I assumed it was
because it was spent and it paid do you
mean the 10 $10,000 That was supposed to
be
contributed as part of a settlement no I
I no I don't think so I'm not sure
somebody asked me and so I'd like to
make sure that we when somebody asked me
this time yep I had to ask to yeah
where's that 30,000 say it's right here
it's in the section of that green bar
called Capital
overlay um I I'll try to get you a page
number is is there any reason is it just
one light item just 30,000 or is it
included in with other things it's
included with the well with the well
yeah we get included with the well
I that I can't answer can can we put a
line item for the township house with
their we're going to have additional
maintenance let's why is there any we
can't create a line item for the
townhouse it's going to have we have to
maintain it for the rest of its life
correct correct and we want to do that
as far as I know so why don't we why do
our budget not have a line item that
every year we can budget what we think
fund's necessary for maintaining the
townhouse Jennifer I'm going to let you
answer that one well we can talk to
Casey about it our count um not
everything has a line item I I know that
but you just can't have that now our
residance I think good like to see with
for that I do I mean I think I think
they proved it was very important I
think it's good timing to bring it up
Dean because um you know the ongoing
maintenance I know the Historical
Society hopes to be a partner in that um
in this spring when we apply for
occupancy and hope to reopen it to the
public um we have to have a discussion
between the township and the Historical
Society about how that building is going
to be used who's managing it if there's
incoming revenue and I know that
personally I feel strongly that any
incoming Revenue should go toward the
maintenance of that building so we have
to figure that all out and maybe it is a
good idea then to have we have a fun for
it I think so yeah and and we'll talk
with Casey about I think that's a good
idea okay you I I and I I don't think
that's a big deal
yeah to add that as a line
item because it is going to be an
ongoing thing from here on out and
always has been yeah it will
be any other any other
questions
comments I make a
motion to approve okay motion to
adopt I make a motion to adopt the 2025
the 2025 26 budget by Department totals
by Department
totals I'll second
second and we have to have a vote Yes a
roll call for yes Chris repeta absent
Dean H yes Sarah dolman Jersy yes her
Ferguson yes Greg KS yes Jennifer Eden
yes Pam Mo
yes all right
carries on to uh business line item
number
three uh General Appropriations act
resolution
this is pretty much a copy
of I don't know what we've done how many
years now
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yeah so any questions
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for a motion yes I make a motion
resolution resolution okay General
appropriation and
resolution maybe she I got a second I
support okay Jennifer Eden yes Sarah
dolman Jersey yes Herman Ferguson yes
CHR P absent Dean H yes pars yes Pam
yes item number four the Headly
operating millage
resolution this is just a resolution
saying that we can um authorize up 2
point 9018 Mills to be
levied for operating purposes
for the 25 26
year and what is it currently I I I'm
sorry
for8 say
8733 I think I I guess I'd like know I
is 0.9 that we're able to but I think we
it's
8733 I believe
what you're Curr right right the right
so this means we we can Levy up to this
much I just was curious what it was
right what's the
maximum what the max is this is that
same is the old Max the same I guess
that's my question are we raising what
we can do or is it the same as last year
do we know the point the 901 I think
it's the same same okay was that's I was
Wonder yeah it was the same
okay so
I'm looking for resolution resolution
for
that I move to approve the resolution
number
25303
support and roll call Sarah dman Jersey
yes K Ferguson yes Greg cens
yes Jennifer Eden yes Dean H yes CH
absent Pam offord
yes number five Senate bill number seven
health insurance provision for 2025 2026
fisal
year so My understand is this is
basically saying that we're not going to
charge for the anybody that's on our
plan any percentage we're paying 100%
right yes yes that's what this gives us
the right to do instead of the 8020
that's the rest of the
world well it's an 8020 plan that yeah
the employee pays the
20% yeah y but instead the Township's
going to pay the 100% yes
yes I think we have to move to
um do Section 8 the exemption part is
that what we typically do because we do
the
insurance no we do a resolution yeah
it's a resolution number you don't have
to adopt one of these where we just I
think so
just choose it in the resolution
okay so the resolution just says
section uh
three well actually says there section
eight I'm section8 number three 3 34 and
eight or eight right
yes we have to pick one of those options
right ter okay right so I move to accept
the resolution
25034 with Section 8 exemption
option I have a second
support and a roll
call Dean h
no her Ferguson yes Jennifer Eden yes
Greg KS yes Chris P's absent Sarah
dolman Jersey yes Pam Mo
yes all
right moving on to number
six
resolution um I would just like to make
a
uh a short little comment regarding six
uh 7 8 and N um p and uh and Jennifer
and I have uh
discussed these salaries um multiple
times and
uh uh it was uh determined that that the
trustees and the supervisor
um we went back and forth about the cola
the cost of living it felt that it
uh we hadn't been in uh office long
enough I I argued that it should have
should be considered for the position
only and not necessarily the amount of
time
but I decided to
just let it go and um not go after the
cola
so if you trustees disagree
then you can discuss that and then as
far as their salary the uh they felt
they were way below average and so I
told them to uh to look around find like
townships and uh
justify uh what your salary should be
and so that's what they
did so just one one comment first um I
think first before we can do anything
with the clerk we have to look at the
fact that uh last year um she was
uh we made a resolution to increase her
salary by U up to 60,800 for one year
and then you're supposed to go back to
the same as a supervisor and treasure as
of this
year so I I I correct me if I Wrong
Chuck we either have to take a vote to
resend this judge this agreement or do
we not how does that work a resolution
is made each year for everyone's no no
but again this resolution says last year
we increased years but it'll go back the
6, 6500 or
6260 this
year because it was a a election year
last year so we increased her salary an
extra and I got the the all the document
right here y so we made we voted on that
onee extension but at the end of that
year it was to go back to the same as
the clerk and superv or the treasurer
supervisor so do we have to act on this
before we can you don't have to act on
that because whatever resolution you
addressed today in effect would resend
that override we don't have to that's
all I was asking I just want to make
sure we do it right I and this one
overrides that one right is that
whatever you do today yeah every year
you do this so whatever you do the
current year takes away what you've done
in the past okay
all right
so
um I I guess my next question say this
is all of it and I see that they did
this but all these things they did they
said salaries do we know what their
their benefit packages in each one of
these I mean I understand what salaries
are but I know what my salary is and I
know what my benefit package is every
Township has uh benefit packages and a
majority of them have 401s as well I'm
just asking it would have been nice to
see if they had health insurance 100%
paid if they have a 401 if so we can do
a true evaluation not saying right wrong
or different I'm not saying should go
way the other I'm saying if if we're
going to do an evaluation if you're
going to do this we should have done the
package not a salary
alone well I think she did that because
that was what was in question I I
understand that but but again then we
really shouldn't be using this to
determine salaries because it's not
accurate a salary is just a very small
portion of system a portion of this is a
salary a burn rate it's your not a burn
rate Dean this is a salary that's what
the resolution is for our salary this is
not R I'm but this is just a dollar
amount it doesn't say whether they have
Blue Cross M Shield 100% paid whe they
had a for maybe it's worth more I don't
know because I don't know what else
they've
got maybe they don't have anything I
don't know
so I think basing it just on a number on
a piece of paper is inaccurate not a
good way to to determine a salary for
somebody because you
know again my opinion I think we should
have gotten if we were going to do a
comparison to raise salaries in some
cases
10% 11%
I mean that's a I mean I I work for a
pretty big company I don't get
that now maybe you're worth it maybe
again maybe maybe it's maybe that is a
justification because they do have
everything else and that's their
salaries but I again I I think if we're
going to vote on an 11% pay increase we
need more information than just a you
know oh they make this so I think I
should make that as just a number so
it's all it's my only point
so and and I think that's a good point
Dean actually because
if if Pam doesn't want the medical
benefits or I don't want the medical
benefits that saves the township a lot
of money and if they want to pay more
money I'm I'm fine with that I'm not
saying we shouldn't give that but I
think we need to understand what we're
basing it on 100% not just a piece of it
I mean I would like to get a real
accurate number you know is it necessary
for us to have to do these today can we
put these off for two weeks and in two
weeks we can we can find out what their
benefit packages are and we can look at
what we can really what we're saving if
you don't take insurance and if you
don't do this and and then we can give
you I you I don't problem with that and
I don't think the the residents will but
I think the residents sitting here right
now are going to look at we're given 11%
pay increase and and and I wish I could
get that we have to justify this the
people sitting on that why they get 11%
and again she's not taking Insurance
maybe she deserves I don't know because
I don't have the information all I want
is enough information to make a good
decision for this for the
community well I do believe that just
looking at at wages like I said the
salary
and you look at that and Jennifer and I
are way below this so when you're just
looking at that
um then we have we have an issue with
that that we are being severely
underpaid I didn't say that you know
nobody has ever said that I'm not saying
that I'm telling you my opinion right
now is why this is coming up because we
are drastically underne Maran Township
here b b
a salary number not a benefit package
well the benefits as I said there's we
don't provide a
401k okay I can tell you they all have
insurance and they all have 401k yes so
call them and ask them that's all I'm
asking for time to do that they all get
it that's all I'm doing the asking for
time to do that you know personally I
think trustees I don't think we should
make $200 a me I think we should make
25 I think we should make enough to
cover our gas back for because we're we
don't do much we read a packet we try to
investigate we show up when we go home
we spend a few
hours to me that's a community service
and I honestly if that was me I'd say
that's not 205 it should be
25 per
meeting you know these truste jobs were
never intended to be a job to make money
on they were intended to be here to help
support the community and make sure that
the community was doing the board doing
the
right again my
opinion all right all I'm asking is to
some some honesty and some and some
documentation substantiate some of
these decisions were
making
so let's uh look at
line item number six in the trustees
salary and
uh looking for a uh a res make a
resolution to establish the 2025 to 2026
trustee salary resolution number
25035 for
$258 so
resolved Sarah dolman Jersey yes Christ
p is absent Herman Ferguson yes Greg
cards yes Dean hos no Jennifer Eden yes
pamur
yes right on to the supervisor
salary and you had any amount change
there Greg did you can I
um just ask there have been a lot of
questions about retirement and
commitment to full-time versus not and I
just want you to have the opportunity to
speak to that and your commitment and
opportunity on you and I have discussed
uh that and I have
repeatedly said during my entire
campaign
that this job is not a 9 to5 office
job it is a
247
job you get calls on Friday and Saturday
and Sunday at all times you and I were
talking this morning at 6:30 in the
morning was early and we've talked on
Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays and
you are one person of 12,000 res
pres who you going to
call supervisor he's got all the
answers I get calls all the
time so I am a little frustrated with
people questioning my time commitment to
this
job I spend at least 40 hours a week on
this job
sometimes more sometimes less but it's
pretty average do I have other business
interests
yes I'm a business
person most
other Town officials president of the
United States governor of the state of
Michigan they have other business
interests so uh I I guess I'm I'm tired
of my my commitment be in
question in 3 and 1/2 years if you don't
like
it vote somebody else
in but I'm committed to this job and I'm
doing it the best I can you
okay
so um I hope that answers that question
I on my commitment I wasn't challenging
you I was just giving you the
opportunity I well I was seeing that
others because I I I'm if you can't tell
I'm a little frustrated with it but I I
have given my time commitment to this
and
um that's all I can tell you am I going
to be in the office from 9: to 5 no
no it's not that kind of a
job am I
reachable
always nobody has ever said I haven't
returned their call and if they do do
it's because I haven't got it I don't
know I mean I return everybody's
call
so can I get a
resolution I'll make a resolution to
establish the 2025 2026 supervisor
salary resolution
25036 so move
Dean h no Z Doan Jersey yes Jennifer
Eden yes Herman Ferguson yes Greg KS yes
Chris Reta is absent Pam moer
yes all right new business number eight
the clerks
so we all have statutory duties um each
one of us elected officials in addition
to that we have additional duties um
Jennifer and I do and I just wanted to
do a quick one over of my additional
duties on top of my statutory duties I
do payroll employees board PC and board
of review tracking that W2's information
Blue Cross Blue Shield I also do this
special assessment districts as well as
the inquiries which are quite time
consuming Township liability insurance
management renewal forms including
benefits claims for HCA accounts
employee health benefits Blue Cross Blue
Shield
Affleck accident fund workman's comp
including an annual audit which is time
consuming as well MLA educating myself
on that and tracking of employees that
use MLA I do the invoicing for fire runs
I oversee agendas and documents that
need to be included in that I do the
annual calendar for meetings compiled
together for the board the PC the zba I
also have website
responsibilities training in managing
payment requests and organizing for any
employees board members as well I'm a
notary of public I do research for other
departments including data collection
for them as well Personnel commit
Jennifer and Greg and I are all on that
o of office for board PC zba and elected
officials oversee contracts for sads
waste waste sads road maintenance lawn
maintenance mail collection and delivery
to appropriate Apartments packets for
election officials running for
office so those are just a few of
additional duties that I have on top of
my statutory
duties those are all your duties or your
departments my duties that I perform
that's just why make clear to the
residents
y I also just want to say that I I don't
feel like all statutory Duties are equal
so if someone's statutory duty is
collecting taxes or running
elections um they carry significantly
more time and
effort um than working on a team to
draft a budget with an accountant
does anybody have any questions for me
nope all right I am
uh looking for a resolution
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to establish the Kirk's the clerk's
salary for 2025
2026 I'll make a motion to
resolve clerk salary resolution
25307
support roll call her Ferguson yes Greg
KS yes Chris pet is absent Jennifer Eden
yes Dean hos no Sarah dolman Jersey yes
Pam offler
yes all right number
nine resolution to establish a 2025 2026
Treasurer
salary
um just like the clerk um Treasurer
has a list of statutory duties um I'm
not going to this is my above and beyond
my statutory duties duties that I do
someone would like a copy they can email
me and I will gladly because of the time
I think we'll just move along um I can
tell you collecting taxes takes nine
months um it is not an easy task every
two weeks I am
statutorily have to give out checks um
to those entities in which we collect
for um I am also in charge of the onm
billing um I set the rates I collect the
monies um pay the bills or pay make make
sure that those are done um the bonds
every bond that we have um I make sure
is
um submitted for payment um I
track usage
um the rates on that stuff billing this
taxes is really hard um you have to go
to this get from the school the
information on which you have to collect
I mean everything has to be to the penny
I balance every single a month every
fund to the penny um have never had a
shortage or an overage um our budget
speaks to that as well um I do want to
point out that the salaries that we are
asking for are no way shape and form um
what the four um close comparison
Harland Township Howell city city of
Howell Maran Township and Oola um we
picked these four because they're Monday
through Thursday which is comparable to
us their population we have 12,000
they're comparable um but
our way no way shape or form is our what
we're asking even close um I'm asking
for 60,000 Heartland Township Treasurer
makes $
74,4 Hollow City $71,500
Maran Township which uh Pam they're
almost mirrored to us uh they they she
makes 67,68
and Oola um who is only there 3 days a
week Oola is only open 3 days 95 uh she
makes
74924 so just so we're all understanding
that we are not asking for btim what
these four townships who are comparable
just a comparable wage increase to make
us aligned somewhat towards that it's
very um disheartening to Pam and I when
we are
holding hands and helping and
training um and then at the end of the
day you know we take peanuts home
so um we had a conversation with Greg
and
said we need to rectify this because
it's not right um we do put in a lot of
hours we do additionally work weekends
you get paid time and a half no we do
that over time no no more time none okay
not a penny our salary is what our
salary is doesn't matter if I work 80
hours a week or 40
hours that's what it is I I think you
have to consider if you if you want good
people if you want to keep good
people you have to make the pay uh
comparable uh uh we have a lot of good
people that work in the township hall
and um uh they could leave and make more
money elsewhere a lot a lot of them but
uh they stay with
us God Knows Why um but uh they stay
with us right right uh I mean uh we have
a great staff that
uh uh really needs to be compensated
better but
uh I
it's value it's value for your dollar
that's all I can say you get what you
pay
for I make a resolution to establish the
2025 2026 Treasurer salary resolution
number
25038
support Greg KS yes her Ferguson yes
Sarah dolman Jersey yes CHR ptis absent
Jennifer Eden yes Dean hus no Pam moer
yes
all right moving on to uh line item
number 10 the resolution to establish
meeting dates for 2025
2026 so resolve to establish meeting
dates for 2025 2026 resolution number
25039
support Chris Peta is absent Jennifer Ed
yes Sarah dolman jerse
yes Dean H yes F Ferguson yes GRE cars
yes Pam hler
yes line item number 11 runion Lake uh
request for uh fireworks display
permit so moved
support all in favor I I
oppose motion carries
uh number 12 request to write off
uncollectible fire service
charges so moved
support all in favor I
oppose all right uh number
13 uh requests by trustee Sarah dman
Jersey to attend the township
governance Academy um
Sirah you want to just give the board uh
I know you've already gotten scholarship
money and there's a good chance it's not
going to cost us anything but yeah I'll
explain so um the township governance
Academy is hosted by the Michigan
townships Association and it's um a
total of 11 classes and 70 credits over
the course of a year and
um I've already been approved for
50% of that
expense um through training
certification and accreditation programs
it's a risk
reduction
um it's a risk risk Reduction Program
for the
township through our insurance provider
and I'm also applying for a scholarship
with MTA to cover the remaining
expenses um and no that's not guaranteed
so in order to finish the app ation the
township would have to consider expenses
I guess at this point would be up to
$650 instead of the 1300 because half
has already been approved um and I also
just want to say that investing in the
education of new Township officials is
not wasteful spending especially when
that education comes from an accredited
respected professional program that
actively Works to reduce the liability
risk for the township um I'll openly
admit I have a lot to learn and I'd like
to learn it from the people that have
been doing this for a very long time so
if anybody has questions about the
courses involved in that I believe it's
included in the
packet so moved
support all in favor I I
oppose all right
Sarah all right uh line item number
14
um
really not happy with this but
uh
Chuck
um what do you uh what do you feel about
the Township's chances of uh uh at
this
and and uh why are you not representing
us I think the township has a good
chance of winning the lawsuit winning
the lawsuit means that the township can
go
forward uh with a public hearing with
respect to the uh males and Mis fees and
charges that have been
levied why am I
not uh going to be involved or shouldn't
be
involved I've had contact with every one
of you Board of Trustees
members um some by phone uh some in just
passing in in meeting here at the
township hall uh some asking me
questions um during the course of these
uh board meetings I'm a potential
witness um I'm not saying that I would
will be but um certainly um the township
may want to call me and uh Chris Reta
would have every right to call me as a
witness um in the case it would be quite
awkward for the township to have me on a
witness stand at the same time I'm
trying to represent the
township so for those that purpose I
think it's a good idea to have
independent
councel also and I'm talking long long
run
here no matter what happens in this
lawsuit I have to work with all of
you if I am the attorney in this
lawsuit there is liable to be hurt
feelings a sense that I'm biased and not
representing all of your
interests Now understand I don't
represent your individual interest in
this case or representing the township I
don't represent any of you individually
it's the township as a
whole so once this lawsuit is over we
have to carry on and I have to be able
to communicate with all of you and
answer your
questions and finally I I would say this
it's it's probably a good idea to have
somebody that doesn't have relationships
with you
folks that has no reason to hold back
and tell you what they really think
about the case
so for those reasons I think it's an
excellent idea that the township have an
independent Council handle this
lawsuit agreed all
right all right so I I'll make a motion
to authorize to retain a special councel
support
all in favor I I I all opposed
no 15 going are are you going to address
who that independent Council going to
be what's that are we addressing who the
independent council is going to
be uh I don't I've only seen the one
have
paperwork I like to why why we didn't
have a board discussion on any of this
prior to
this so you you guys have so evidently
the rest of the board has already talked
about an attorney got a recommendation
and got a letter of
retainer without a public hearing or
meeting or discussing with the rest of
us about this lawsuit this was just
given to 19 I have not seen this just
somebody did
it I just received this today and made
copy for everyone so we could look so I
think I think we need to table this and
set this for another meeting to make it
have discussion we don't have time about
Turners we can't we don't have time we
don't have time because of because the
guy that made the mess the guy that
created the mess now doesn't want to
represent it
no because Mr Retta asked for an
expedited case and the court has heard
that he's had to because you guys want
to push it through to do this mis fees
and males in case he's got no choice if
he wants stop it he had to expedite it
that's fine but that's why there's a
timeline that's why the decision can't
be Ted the email was sent out um with
this lawyer's information correct to all
MERS okay so if you didn't get that or
didn't look at your email I don't have a
way looking at my
email how do you how are you a board
member if you don't have I don't have a
computer and I told you I'm not using my
personal phone for business I I use it
for other things that it's for my work
it's my work phone I'm not going to do
you know I've asked you to Simply Supply
a computer in here that I can come in
and sit down at to get emails we need to
vote on him since we just AG I think the
board should vote to retain that lawyer
okay okay so I'll make a motion to
retain um Garin lucal Miller PC um to
represent us as special counsel in the
pending litigation of Chris Retta versus
Tyrone Township so move support support
I I'm I'm sorry she made the motion I'll
support you got double support all in
favor I no those
oppose Craig are you recusing I'm with
the residents I want this to stop no I'm
not voting just not voting are you just
recusing yourself just recusing it y
just I did on the last the one too and
I've done it here to okay I'm with the
residents I I want this to stop I think
this is a waste of time and money we do
but we're in the position we have to
vote on I mean for claim as filed we
have to
respond okay number 15
okay uh are we going to do public
remarks before we
go because we're going to be in Clos
session then come
back I don't know if we're going to be
in close session that long I don't think
we're going to be in closed session very
long however if the Township Board is
going to take action after and you
probably want the
public leave it yeah yeah so we're going
to leave it as this yeah we
yeah y so didn't know long we there
so I uh resolved to go into close
session to discuss a pending litigation
of the Zach uh
shifo Cameron mcin vers versus Tyrone
Township uh
Lawson I'll
second Dean
H yes Herman Ferguson yes Jennifer Eden
yes Greg CS yes CH Pet's absent Sarah
dolman Jersey yes Pam moer
yes okay
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okay Jo is to the right all right we're
going to go back into uh
session and uh we need a motion to go
back into the session
y support
all
in all in favor I oppose
okay moving on to miscellaneous business
do we have any of
that and then uh I guess we'll go right
into the final public uh public remarks
yes Scott
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I'm going to bring this up Scott I'm
going to bring this up again because
it's been all over the all
over social
media all right now if I can remember
right we had pay increases were stalled
during covid
right I think they were pay pay I think
we the raises were installed anyways so
we're the people I'm just asking for
there's people out there asking question
questions online um and I've asked them
before it's a lot of increase I agree
with Dean I work for a multi-billion
dollar company my contract was 3 four
now they're like fiveyear contracts
maybe up to 6 7 8 9% over that term when
you see people are saying well I see
this great big raise every year after
year after year well they're questioning
that and I I do too it's such a big race
for one year okay and Dean right salary
and benefit should be included so we see
the total cost per per person okay so
because if I didn't say anything
otherwise I'd be called a hypocrite
because I have questioned that before
all right so now on getting back to the
people that work here and how many we
got um do we have too many or do we have
enough and that's questions come up
before and I think I've talked to Sarah
and a couple other people here that
maybe we need an outside firm here to
come in and look and see if we got cuz
why know we're training extra people
some of maybe we got too many people get
the training get them done let's get
down to the number of people we need to
do and I'm not just saying this I'm
asking for the people out there that are
out there in la la land that are afraid
to come here and ask the questions okay
now I'm getting back to you Greg I'm not
trying to pick on you but you are
responsible for Department departments
here and if you're not
here it falls on everybody else in the
office
okay and when you're home getting phone
calls from Sarah Herman me or anybody on
the agenda I don't I don't think you
should be thinking that's you're on the
dime for the taxpayers because I ran for
trustee and I would be more than happy
to run for trustee and not get paid a
die okay because you know what I care
about my community okay that's what I
care about back in the see old building
over there they used to get together
there every reading and nobody got paid
crap but I do understand we got to pay
people so people got a right to ask the
questions and I agree with Dean on the
um all the itemized stuff I'd like to
see it myself because I am not a genius
when it comes to math so I like to see
stuff spelled out so I do agree with
Dean
on all
right sure
I'm basically saying the same thing that
he said it's not that I don't think yall
are worth the money that you're being
paid it it's not that it's the point
that what other business do you say I'm
going to give myself an 18% raise this
year and it's not even discussed with
the people that hire you and we're the
ones that hire you and to ask for an 18%
raise and then the next year a 6% raise
most people in this room would love to
get a 4% raise anymore I mean I'm a
nurse and I don't get an 18% raise I
don't get a 4% raise a year so I guess
when you're asking for 18% you're asking
for 6% 24% over 2 years is a lot of
money whether and you know I guess most
companies if you need to get brought up
it would be incremental okay over the
next four years we're going to give you
a 3% this year a 3% next year a 3% so in
just one year to get an 18% 6% it's a
lot of
money thank
you sure Jim
I don't uh you know the whole race thing
I have no idea I mean I believe a
workman's worth is higher no more no
less I do jobs for people I don't charge
them extra I don't charge them less I
need to be paid fair I believe you all
should be paid fair but I agree with my
man over here these are public service
jobs they're not careers I feel like if
someone comes in here looking for a
career they're off on the wrong foot to
begin with
um if I were sitting up there I would be
my my interest is living or Tyrone
Township not me making a
living and you know I don't expect you
to quit your side hustles whatever you
want to call it I hope you are all
successful business people I do because
you've proven you're successful that
carries over to here and I don't expect
you to live on Lake Shannon on 50 Grand
a year that's on I think that's stupid
to expect so yeah you get paid for your
time I expect that you should but as far
as the rest of this mess
man these censures and stuff you guys
just went in that room talked about
whatever I'm asking you for this
Township get
together work it out don't drag all this
through lawsuits wasting everyone's time
and money here work it up maybe someone
did something wrong I mean I heard you
you said yes I worded that letter wrong
you acknowledge that great we all make
mistakes I do too I don't want to be
censured every time I make a mistake
when I'm
working and I think it was Major
Overkill to do
that I don't even understand because I
do believe like the attorney that sat
here said it's in that letter he wrote
was done in good faith I look at a
person's intent and if your intent was
to cause Planning Commission people to
show up to their meetings I'm with you
100% your intent was good maybe you
worded it wrong whatever but I expect
you guys to be able to work it out
amongst yourselves in a room and say
what can we do for the betterment of
this
Township not our own interests that's
what I expect you to do I don't expect
to see a lawsuit
here if you guys can't settle that I
don't have a whole lot of confidence in
you working out any problems in the
township you can't even work out
something amongst
yourselves but I I will
say like I said my son he's a Township
supervisor he makes 50 something
thousand a years the township is twice
the size of this one they have a police
department they have a fire department
which we don't have I asked him today I
called him I said dude I don't know
anything about this stuff I said how
much does your Clerk
uh
treasure 50
something, I said oh I find it
interesting your Township didn't get
listed as a
con it seems a little one-sided to pick
the townships that serve your purpose
because his is twice the size they got
way more going on and he also leaves the
township at night and does his night job
I got to cut you off Jim I'm yeah I like
what you're saying I'm asking you guys
to get together as adults and don't drag
all these people's time and money
through I I expect that thank
you anyone
else
yeah Deana Cipher Walnut Shores I just
want to say
that the clerk and the treasurer
positions they knew what the salaries
were when they ran for the
jobs um and I think the comparisons that
you did were somewhat on the
unprofessional side you didn't you you
took a salary number you didn't show
anybody what the benefit packages were
your comparisons didn't include what
those benefit packages might be for
those other townships and what those
clerks and treasurers were making I
think you you picked numbers that worked
for the case that you were making and I
think it's it's kind of embarrassing to
the township that you pick what you want
your raise to be which is way in excess
of what most people get on an annual
basis for a raise and then you get to
vote for it
yourselves I I just something really
rubs me wrong about that and it is kind
of embarrassing
so
thanks thank you
anybody
else all right and I
am looking for a mo motion to
adjourn so move
support all in favor I I all
right all right
yeah thank you Terry for keeping us
Terry can sh
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